Re: Help a Honda guy out!! (Racin'Jason)
IB4TL: Here's a great list of GTI's and Jetta's - http://www.vw.com
IB4TL: Here's a great list of GTI's and Jetta's - http://www.vw.com
Help a Honda guy out!!
Hello all! I was recently involved in an accident that more than likely totaled out my '00 Civic Si (no, NOT my fault!
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). Anyways with the blue-book value being much more that what I currently owe (good 'ol Honda!
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) I am in a good position to look at something a little more 'upscale' than a civic. However I am totally NOT sold on any of Hondas redesigns (especially the new Si), and I am about 75% sure I'm going to go with the GTI 1.8t! I need you guys to push me that final 25%! I am still debating one of the final type SH Preludes on the local Honda lot, but more and more VW is calling out to me! You guys seem overall pretty happy with your choice, but should I be concerned about the build quality of this car? I've been browsing VW forums the last couple of days, and it does seem to be a problem many are dealing with. I can say one thing about the Hondas I've owned, for the most part they stay free of mechanical issues and major squeeks and rattles for the first few years at least. I can't deny that the idea of modding a car that actually yields true power gains is quite appealing though!
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Oh BTW - the search function has been disabled, could someone please list the current models of GTIs and Jettas and thier respective engine codes? Thanks!!
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Re: Help a Honda guy out!! (Racin'Jason)
The other thing is, we represent a very small segement of the market, not everyone has the problems that we mention here, and most of the time they are nit picky things...
There are 2 different body styles, the Golf and the Jetta. The Golf comes as a 2 door, or a 4 door, and the Jetta comes as a 4 door. The GTI, although it is a Golf, is considered a different car here in the North American market. That said here is what you can get currently in the 2002 line up:
Golf:
GL - 2.0l naturally aspirated 4 cylinder gasoline, 1.9l turbocharged 4 cylinder diesel. Available only as a 2 door.
GLS - 2.0l naturally aspirated 4 cylinder gasoline, 1.9l turbocharged 4 cylinder diesel, 1.8l turbocharged 4 cylinder gasoline. Available only as a 4 door.
GTI:
GLS - 1.8l turbocharged 4 cylinder gasoline. Available only as a 2 door.
GLX - 2.8l naturally aspirated 6 cylinder gasoline. Available only as a 2 door.
Jetta:
GL - 2.0l naturally aspirated 4 cylinder gasoline, 1.9l turbocharged 4 cylinder diesel. Available only as a 4 door.
GLS - 2.0l naturally aspirated 4 cylinder gasoline, 1.9l turbocharged 4 cylinder diesel, 1.8l turbocharged 4 cylinder gasoline, 2.8l naturally aspirated 6 cylinder gasoline. Available only as a 4 door.
GLX - 2.8l naturally aspirated 6 cylinder gasoline. Available only as a 4 door.
OK, I'm not too welll versed in the Jettas, so I think I have them all, but I could be wrong. If I messed up the Golfs and GTIs it's cause I'm typing this at about 20 wps
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BTW: VW doesn't really have engine codes as they do with Honda (i.e: B16, etc). However, they have different engine codes for the same engine, for example the 1.8Ts have AWW, AWD, AWP, etc. as the North American engine codes, and AGU, AUG, etc. as the Euro-spec codes...
[Modified by roadsleeper, 3:25 PM 2-12-2002]
quote:[HR][/HR]but should I be concerned about the build quality of this car? I've been browsing VW forums the last couple of days, and it does seem to be a problem many are dealing with.[HR][/HR]
You have to understand that VW is marketing their cars "upmarket", I think many people have misunderstandings about how high they quality of the cars is going to be. Compare a Mk. III to a Mk. IV and you will see leaps and bounds in quality increases. Compare it to a BMW (the territory VAG is aiming for IMO), and you won't be happy...The other thing is, we represent a very small segement of the market, not everyone has the problems that we mention here, and most of the time they are nit picky things...
There are 2 different body styles, the Golf and the Jetta. The Golf comes as a 2 door, or a 4 door, and the Jetta comes as a 4 door. The GTI, although it is a Golf, is considered a different car here in the North American market. That said here is what you can get currently in the 2002 line up:
Golf:
GL - 2.0l naturally aspirated 4 cylinder gasoline, 1.9l turbocharged 4 cylinder diesel. Available only as a 2 door.
GLS - 2.0l naturally aspirated 4 cylinder gasoline, 1.9l turbocharged 4 cylinder diesel, 1.8l turbocharged 4 cylinder gasoline. Available only as a 4 door.
GTI:
GLS - 1.8l turbocharged 4 cylinder gasoline. Available only as a 2 door.
GLX - 2.8l naturally aspirated 6 cylinder gasoline. Available only as a 2 door.
Jetta:
GL - 2.0l naturally aspirated 4 cylinder gasoline, 1.9l turbocharged 4 cylinder diesel. Available only as a 4 door.
GLS - 2.0l naturally aspirated 4 cylinder gasoline, 1.9l turbocharged 4 cylinder diesel, 1.8l turbocharged 4 cylinder gasoline, 2.8l naturally aspirated 6 cylinder gasoline. Available only as a 4 door.
GLX - 2.8l naturally aspirated 6 cylinder gasoline. Available only as a 4 door.
OK, I'm not too welll versed in the Jettas, so I think I have them all, but I could be wrong. If I messed up the Golfs and GTIs it's cause I'm typing this at about 20 wps
BTW: VW doesn't really have engine codes as they do with Honda (i.e: B16, etc). However, they have different engine codes for the same engine, for example the 1.8Ts have AWW, AWD, AWP, etc. as the North American engine codes, and AGU, AUG, etc. as the Euro-spec codes...
[Modified by roadsleeper, 3:25 PM 2-12-2002]
Re: Help a Honda guy out!! (pooz01wolfsburg)
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roadsleeper - Thank you for your very informative response! It was exactly the type I was hoping/looking for.
quote:[HR][/HR]IB4TL: Here's a great list of GTI's and Jetta's - http://www.vw.com[HR][/HR]
Wow, is that new site?
roadsleeper - Thank you for your very informative response! It was exactly the type I was hoping/looking for.
Re: Help a Honda guy out!! (JettaRed)
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To be honest with you, it was almost like one of those "this must be too good to be true" type of things!
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I mean for the price, this seems like a LOT of car for the money! But then I get on these forums, and I'm kind of like "ahhhh, ok so it's a build quality thing"
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Regardless, I am still heavily leaning towards the GTI, and I guess I just need some reassurance from current owners!
[Modified by Racin'Jason, 8:42 PM 2-12-2002]
[Modified by Racin'Jason, 8:46 PM 2-12-2002]
quote:[HR][/HR]My recommendation after all that is to drive the car and decide from there! Never make a decision based on what anyone here tells you.[HR][/HR]
Oh, trust me! I drove it, and I was COMPLETELY sold on it!!
[Modified by Racin'Jason, 8:42 PM 2-12-2002]
[Modified by Racin'Jason, 8:46 PM 2-12-2002]
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Re: Help a Honda guy out!! (BrandonC)
Hey Racin'
I'm new to the Volkswagen regime...as of about 5 days ago. Man let me tell you...I got my car with 52 miles on it (1.8T 2002) and I now have 854 miles. I have never driven a car that is so fun to drive in my life. It's got good power and from all I've heard and read so far on this forum VERY modable if that's what you're into. Also, it looks saaawweeeeet. I held out for the dealer to find me a black one with the 17 inch rims...and it was well worth the wait. It's a beautiful car to look at and to drive. GET THE GTI. me personally I test drove the Jetta, Passat and the GTI...and the GTI just had the sports car feeling that I wanted. With a couple mods ($2000 or so's worth) you can have the car up the 230hp if you want or more. Go for it. As far as quality goes...the only vehicles from VW that I've ever heard consistent gripes about are the Beetle's. I haven't heard many prob's with the other models and I did a good deal of researching be4 buying. The prob's that I've seen existing were stupid one's like the window regulator and some small electrical crap. But all for none the car is amazing IMHO. Good luck! http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
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Hey Racin'
I'm new to the Volkswagen regime...as of about 5 days ago. Man let me tell you...I got my car with 52 miles on it (1.8T 2002) and I now have 854 miles. I have never driven a car that is so fun to drive in my life. It's got good power and from all I've heard and read so far on this forum VERY modable if that's what you're into. Also, it looks saaawweeeeet. I held out for the dealer to find me a black one with the 17 inch rims...and it was well worth the wait. It's a beautiful car to look at and to drive. GET THE GTI. me personally I test drove the Jetta, Passat and the GTI...and the GTI just had the sports car feeling that I wanted. With a couple mods ($2000 or so's worth) you can have the car up the 230hp if you want or more. Go for it. As far as quality goes...the only vehicles from VW that I've ever heard consistent gripes about are the Beetle's. I haven't heard many prob's with the other models and I did a good deal of researching be4 buying. The prob's that I've seen existing were stupid one's like the window regulator and some small electrical crap. But all for none the car is amazing IMHO. Good luck! http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
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Re: Help a Honda guy out!! (Tronious)
Hahahaha, you guys f-ing kill me!
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Hahahaha, you guys f-ing kill me!
Re: Help a Honda guy out!! (Tronious)
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quote:[HR][/HR]I held out for the dealer to find me a black one with the 17 inch rims...and it was well worth the wait. [HR][/HR]
That's the one I test drove! Black w/black leather and 17s! Man, what a car!
Re: Help a Honda guy out!! (Racin'Jason)
I hear ya dude. My suggestion (well if you're anything like me I guess) don't get the beige leather...messy messy messy. But other than that don't those 17's look sweet!? http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
I hear ya dude. My suggestion (well if you're anything like me I guess) don't get the beige leather...messy messy messy. But other than that don't those 17's look sweet!? http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
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Re: Help a Honda guy out!! (Tronious)
other than a few VW jerks that won't reply to anything honda.. the vdub and the vortex is top notch!! Buy one and hold on! http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
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other than a few VW jerks that won't reply to anything honda.. the vdub and the vortex is top notch!! Buy one and hold on! http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
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