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well here is the truth behind this guy shop, and all the bs he has been feeding you. i will start with the beginning. me and him came to an understanding around january, that he was to built my cross flow turbo corrado, and i went to him because i saw his posts and thought he knew what he was doing, and boy was i wrong.
we agreed on $2400 price, wich was to include a bottom end rebuilt, head, and all the other miscelanious parts for the project, the only thing i provided was the turbo itself wich i purchased from killa myself.
took the car to him in the middle of january, along with a 1000 for all the hardware, the car was at one of his friends house garage and the estimated time was 2 weeks. right from the get go, things went wrong. i was given the run around about many thing, he said he was going to build a log style exhaust many, wich i never have seen even today. that prob did not get done, and work was slow. 2 weeks pass and nothing happened my car was sitting on jack stands without a motor, at wich point he had recieved the whole money for the work, i was constantly bsd about its status, so 2 weeks turned into 2 months, wich turned into 3 months. after 3 months, the car had the motor and the head installed. work had stopped for some reason, no one was lifting a finger to put the car together, and i guess whatever understanding he had with his friend fell through. i had to go there myself 2 times to put things together on the car, without anyone being in that freaking garage, the whole thing was a mess. coolant lines were not hooked up, intercooler piping was not done and the intercooler was not mounted, and not to mention when the motor was pulled out the harness got all Fd up. the 2nd time i went there i took the car home because it was going nowhere so AAA towed the car to my garage, with countless boxes of parts that were not installed. i spent another month putting things together by myself, time during wich some ppl came over to look at the car because i couldnt figure stuff out for myself. fuel rail had to be tapped, intake plenum had to be tapped, so on and so forth. anyways i put together myself but the car never ran properly for some reason. and i never figured out what was wrong with it, nor do i know how the motor was rebuilt. here is a convo i had with him over IM .
(6:46 PM 4-1-2004) I Wuz BottlFedG60: Sorry for the long response, im working with dial up here and my time is limited but ill be buying a cell this weekend so ill IM you the number once i get it.
As for the leaks, I dont think the mainn is leaking, either the oilpan bolts arent tight or too tight where it pinched the gasket, The oil housing, it has to be the o-ring between the watercooler and housing........
(6:49 PM 4-1-2004) I Wuz BottlFedG60: That alt. is probly bad, i will give you the one i have and the head gasket is leaking we will have to take the head off and swap in a new gasket (all of which i will pick up from the dealer on Sat.) Im going to try and come up there this weekend, this is if i can rent a car.
(6:52 PM 4-1-2004) 8vbunny: i allready ordered another alternator, and as for the head gasket i will re-torque the head again, this time at 70 ft lbs. the alternator is coming tomorrow
(6:52 PM 4-1-2004) I Wuz BottlFedG60: The head is tourqed at 65 now.
(6:55 PM 4-1-2004) 8vbunny: ya it needs to be re torqued after heat cycle. or else the head gasket blows, i spoke to miguel he said it is ok to torque it to 70
(7:09 PM 4-1-2004) 8vbunny: i wont be around beginning this weekend, for 2 weeks so dont bother
(7:13 PM 4-1-2004) 8vbunny: if the head gasket is new than u dont have to replace it, wich i hope it is, alot of ppl told me to toque to 70-85 to be safe, since the aba one tends to split
(5:03 AM 4-3-2004) 8vbunny: http://images.snapfish.com/33%...t1lsi
(5:04 AM 4-3-2004) 8vbunny: http://images.snapfish.com/33%...t1lsi
(5:04 AM 4-3-2004) 8vbunny: http://images.snapfish.com/33%...t1lsi
(5:04 AM 4-3-2004) 8vbunny: http://images.snapfish.com/33%...t1lsi
(4:04 PM 4-4-2004) 8vbunny: the car sputters bad over 2500, it seems like it is getting no fuel or the ignition timing is ****ed up. and than the car just dies. the transmission piece the lets the ecu know wich gear ur in, u guys broke it btw so idunno what role that plays into it
(4:06 AM 4-7-2004) 8vbunny: dude i lookd at that reciept, there is mad **** here that i owe me money back for, downpipe, flanges etc. **** came out to freakin 400 $ not including the alternator and the money i had to pay miguel to fix ur mistakes.
(5:11 AM 4-7-2004) I Wuz BottlFedG60: I know, send me your address and ill send you a money order. John is paying for yourlinkage cable that he broke so call him on that. I was seeing if John was going to pay you back like he said but he's FOS so ill send you the money.
(5:12 AM 4-7-2004) 8vbunny: the linkage i took care of, so dont worry about that. i am leaving for a week so we will deal with this when i get back that way it will give u some time, i know money is tight.
(5:15 AM 4-7-2004) I Wuz BottlFedG60: Thank's. Im waiting fot Sprint to send me a phone so ill e-mail you the number when i get it
(5:19 AM 4-7-2004) 8vbunny: not a problem. the car is still not running. it cuts out between 2k and 3k ander any form of acceleration, wich leads me to believe the cam timing is way off
still, i cant get it right because i dunno where the marks are suppose to be
(12:13 AM 4-8-2004) 8vbunny: i had someone look at the car, the thing is ****ed up, compression is at 70 psi, in 2 and 3 cylinders, it is pouring coolant out of the water pump, the knock sensor is ****ed up, the ecu is shot and so is the wiring harness. i gave u a running car and u gave me back a mess, and u know what i dont even know what the story is behind how the motor was put together because if was all a bunch of lies.
(12:14 AM 4-8-2004) 8vbunny: half of the work was done, half of my money should be refunded, i spent another $600 out of my own pocket for the alternator wich was 260, the downpipe wich was 175, plus another $100 to get it rewelded, and than the $300 this guy charged me to tell me that the car is a ****ing mess. ENOUGH. i am putting up with this **** anymore. half of the work was done, not even, i got the car back not running, and u know what a verbal agreement was made when i gave u all the money, i dont care what u have to do, but that is the way it needs to be.
(12:15 AM 4-8-2004) 8vbunny: i need to spend almost as much money to get the car running again, on top of what i allready spent, and u know what there is no way in hell ur touching my car again.
(12:15 AM 4-8-2004) 8vbunny: make arangements to refund half of my money back, i spoke to Jon allready to give u the message, i dont care about what u have to do. 5 months and the car is not done
basically i was given the run around. and now i cannot get in touch with him for ish. the pics are of the car after i put everything together.
 

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Re: here is something all of u need to know about I Wuz BottlFedG60 (berrysneeky)

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someone is getting called out!!

Big Time.
 

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Re: here is something all of u need to know about I Wuz BottlFedG60 (8vbunny)

so after 4 months my car was sittin still with no motor, because he thought he could do it, yet he did not do anything , he just fd up a perfectly good motor. anyways i gave up on that motor because it was endless. during the period when the car was with him, they managed to break a spark plug in the head, and some fragments of the ceramic remained in the #1, stuff i saw when i took the motor apart. #1 cylinder wall was scratched as F. the walls were scored pretty bad. i had to travel to Li myself and pull that plug out after 4 freaking hours of racking my brain on how is the best way to do it without warping the head, only the thread part of the plug was left, good thing a 4 poiint easy out did the job.
so after i got the car started, ran like crap i must say, it was leaking everything. and most importantly oil. i had to pull the tranny and oil pan , fly wheel and clutch in order to get to the rear main , wich was not put in corectly, nor was the oil pan tight enough. the side plate, wich covers the water jackets, by the water pump, (on the pass side of the g60 motor, where the rear mount braket is), was not bolted at all, it was barfing out coolant like there was no tomorrow. thank god some ppl were instrumental enough to point that out to me while they were at my place helping me, something that this guy has not done ever since this ordeal.
all said and done me and him agreed on $600 refund wich i have not seen ever since i spoke to him last, now he wont return my phone calls, nor Im's.
so what can i say, this guy lied to all of u. have any of you seen any of his projects? No because there are none, nor there is a shop that he owns.
 

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Re: here is something all of u need to know about I Wuz BottlFedG60 (berrysneeky)

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someone is getting called out!!

it is not even the point, i did not say anything sooner because i hoped this would be resolved in a gentlemanly fashion, i was wrong, he is as good of a business person as he is a mechanic. http://****************.com/smile/emthdown.gif
 

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ya well, kinda makes you wonder why he hasnt posted anything, nor ever showd anyone any of his projects, his black a2 is sitting in his garage with no motor still and it will be allways like that. but whatever that is not my business. i just hope that other ppl wont make the mistake that i made going to this guy for anything.
 

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Hey...look at it this way. Your money didn't go to waste...it bought his son some extensions.

Live and learn my friend. Atleast you brought it to the boards but I kinda had a sneaking suspicion that he was far from legit when it came to building dubs.


Modified by pimpinizt1 at 10:29 AM 5-20-2004
 

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Re: here is something all of u need to know about I Wuz BottlFedG60 (8vbunny)

WOW- I feel bad for ya bro.
However, <tries to keep an open mind> it did seem on the IM'ing he did try to answer some of the stuff in there and own some of it as his shops responsibility.</tries to keep an open mind>
With everything, there are 2 sides to every story, and Im sure we'd all like to hear the other half. He's earned a pretty good rep around these parts and don't think he would intentionally sabotage his own work. that suicide for a mechanic if what you outlined here is the way it went down (not implying in any way your full of it)
Good luck in however this turns out. The ride sounds like it had big plans, and props to you for taking the bull by the horns to try and do it your self. Have a
on me!
edit: You always have the BBB and the law?!
edit2: He has been on, just not here
Dreadz Threadz



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i spent more time putting the thing together than those 2 "mechanics" did combined. i had to go over everything myself. torque specs etc. head was torqued to 48 ft lbs with ARP head studs, wtf is that all about. that should give u an idea of what this guy is capable of.
here are some pics after 1.5 months of my own time into it.



that is after me busting my ass, between school and work, being in the garage by myself until 3-4 in the morning on nightly basis . i basically had to do the work over again, that the 2 "mechanics " had done, the intake plenum had to be remachined, becuase the runner were uneven, the list is endless.....
 

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Re: here is something all of u need to know about I Wuz BottlFedG60 (GLIJetta90)

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WOW- I feel bad for ya bro.
However, <tries to keep an open mind> it did seem on the IM'ing he did try to answer some of the stuff in there and own some of it as his shops responsibility.</tries to keep an open mind>
With everything, there are 2 sides to every story, and Im sure we'd all like to hear the other half. He's earned a pretty good rep around these parts and don't think he would intentionally sabotage his own work. that suicide for a mechanic if what you outlined here is the way it went down (not implying in any way your full of it)
Good luck in however this turns out. The ride sounds like it had big plans, and props to you for taking the bull by the horns to try and do it your self. Have a
on me!
edit: You always have the BBB and the law?!

Modified by GLIJetta90 at 7:28 AM 5-20-2004

sure there are 2 sides of a story, and i myself gave him the benefit of the doubt, but u know what. he knows nothing. and all the stuff he answered in my Im's I ALLREADY KNEW. and did everything over by myself so the benefit of the doubt went of the window on that one.
 

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Hey...look at it this way. Your money didn't go to waste...it bought his some some extensions.

Live and learn my friend. Atleast you brought it to the boards but I kinda had a sneaking suspicion that he was far from legit when it came to building dubs.
 

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thanx, but the motor was plagued with problems because i had no idea what they have done, i could only have assumed stuff. i went over every possibility and chkd everything and still the motor never ran perfectly
 

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damn that sucks... hope everything resolves somewhat.

nothing has been resolved as of now, i cant get in touch with him anymore, it seems like he doesnt care, wich from a business point of view sux. i sold the turbo kit because i could not afford to put more cash into the car, so now the car is motorless.
 

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then that really sucks... I would hate to say it, but just save up your money again and try and some stuff yourself from the beginning. If you cant get someone else to do it right and you know better, learn and you will be better than them http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
 

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the only reason i went to him is because he said it will be done in 2 weeks. i did not have time to do it myself, because if i did i would have and saved a bunch of $ by doing it. but i did not have time, i am in school full time and i work around 40 hours a week, i dont have free time like i used to.
 
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