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Is a Boxster a "real Porsche"?

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hope i am not opening a can of worm here. i have been reading the porsche newsgroup and there seems be an always-ongoing debate on whether a bosxter qualifies as a "real porsche" - whatever that means. of course with the impending introduction of cayenne into the porsche's lineup, all the purists become more and more heated in their arguments.
my question to you is do you think a boxster qualifies as a "real porsche"? And what exactly is a "real porsche"?
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Re: Is a Boxster a "real Porsche"? (some9one)

Well if you read the Porsche newsgroup, you'll find out that there's no real Porsche except the 911
, and I think that might have its heritage called into question once in a while. All the cheaper p-cars get maligned by so called Porsche enthusiasts.
Of all the p-cars that are questioned I find the Boxster hardest to understand. It was designed by Porsche, features a traditional mid/rear mounting, and a horizontally opposed flat-6. Yeah it's a wasserboxer, but so's the 996. I guess it's just a case of Porsche snobbery, if it doesn't come with the big ass price tag then it's NARP (not a real Porsche). Those Porsche owners who participate in motorsports usually recognize that pretty much all the cars that bear the Porsche name have some redeeming quality, especially because they've gotten tails shown to them by 914's or 944 Turbos etc.
IMO, anything (from the factory, mind you) with the Porsche name on it is a real porsche, except those 924's, right Obin?



[Modified by 3liter914-6, 4:38 AM 12-2-2001]
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Re: Is a Boxster a "real Porsche"? (3liter914-6)

What he said, depends on which snob you speak with. I'd be willing to recognize any model save for the bastard child 924. Some of the more elite club owners may not like the boxster because it has allowed the "less than elite" to join the ranks of new model ownership.
Time to go buy one and turn out at Porsche meets with a Limp Biskit t-shirt .
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Re: Is a Boxster a "real Porsche"? (Lexi)

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Time to go buy one and turn out at Porsche meets with a Limp Biskit t-shirt .[HR][/HR]​
Conversely you could show up in a 911 with a V-8 shoved in its butt, or maybe get a sticker for the boxster that says "My other car's a CORVETTE!"

Those p-car snobs really love American V-8's
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Re: Is a Boxster a "real Porsche"? (3liter914-6)

Personally, I think the Boxster is more "Porsche" than the 996, but hey, what do I know...
Roger, never owned a Porsche, probably never will
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Re: Is a Boxster a "real Porsche"? (3liter914-6)

quote:[HR][/HR]Well if you read the Porsche newsgroup, you'll find out that there's no real Porsche except the 911
, and I think that might have its heritage called into question once in a while. All the cheaper p-cars get maligned by so called Porsche enthusiasts.
Of all the p-cars that are questioned I find the Boxster hardest to understand. It was designed by Porsche, features a traditional mid/rear mounting, and a horizontally opposed flat-6. Yeah it's a wasserboxer, but so's the 996. I guess it's just a case of Porsche snobbery, if it doesn't come with the big ass price tag then it's NARP (not a real Porsche). Those Porsche owners who participate in motorsports usually recognize that pretty much all the cars that bear the Porsche name have some redeeming quality, especially because they've gotten tails shown to them by 914's or 944 Turbos etc.
IMO, anything (from the factory, mind you) with the Porsche name on it is a real porsche, except those 924's, right Obin?


[Modified by 3liter914-6, 4:38 AM 12-2-2001][HR][/HR]​
you know what sucks? i had this really long, cool response, but my computer disconnected and the message got lost
. oh well. lemme dig up what i can and summarize:
the people that claim that the only "real" Porsche is the one they have are the ones that are afraid to admit that they can't afford a new one.
you'll run into Porsche owners with s 30 year old 911 that think they are the cream of the crop.... but the fact is that the car is worth less than a used Honda Accord. this sort of snobbery is not only stupid... but you'll find that the ones that perpetuate it are the ones that know the least about this history of Porsche.
sort of like the ones that say "the only real volkswagens are air cooled". you know what my response to that is:
If air cooling was so good, then why don't they still do it? I of course know the reasons why, but when they fall short to mention them, i say "yep, and you've just perpetuated the truth behind the stories about the stupid sportscar owners."
the Boxster is not only a "real" Porsche, but the cockpit of the Airbus A300 is too. so are the twin-turbo V8 boat motors, and so are the transmissions for the Daewoos. if everything that Porsche designed, or helped to design, had their name on it... just about all of us would be driving "Porsches".
also, behind that "real Porsche" nonsense... the Boxster and the 924 share a very important place on the Porsche mantle... they were the fastest selling cars in the company history, and both of them saved the company from bankrupcy. you'll find that the snobs not only don't know that fact, but they often ignore it if they do. a lot of this frustration comes from envy. if a snobby guy with a $14,000 911 is constantly staring at the diminishing taillights from a Boxster... he'll say "well, that's not a real Porsche". the guy with a 911 turbo that spent $40,000 constaltly gets lapped by the guy with a $15,000 944 turbo... he'll also say "that's not a real Porsche." well, mister, if your $30,000 car you bought can't keep up with my $5,000 car i got... maybe YOURS is not the real Porsche, eh?

well, if fast, sleek, fun, and powerful isn't a "real" Porsche, then maybe these "enthusiasts" should just sell their Porsches and buy rusted-out Chevy Vegas.

obin


[Modified by Obin Robinson, 10:34 AM 12-2-2001]
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Re: Is a Boxster a "real Porsche"? (Obin Robinson)

quote:[HR][/HR]well, if fast, sleek, fun, and powerful isn't a "real" Porsche, then maybe these "enthusiasts" should just sell their Porsches and buy rusted-out Chevy Vegas.
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Hmmm, but don't those Vegas have sleeveless cylinder liners, just like a 928?
Oh, I forgot, that isn't a real Porsche either....

Tom, saving up his $$ for a 944S2 cabrio....
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Re: Is a Boxster a "real Porsche"? (3liter914-6)

as a porsche owner i must put in my thoughts.
as for what makes a "real porsche"...you can argue till the cows come home.
if you are arguing over what makes a real porsche youve got to be one of two people:
1. a snobby owner who thinks his/her porsche is the almighty GOD
2. a non-owner who thinks he knows it all
if you are a porsche owner and argue over this trivial topic, you only bought the car as a trophy, as a token to let everyone know that " hey , i drive a porsche"
youre not in it for the love of the car...if it bears a porsche crest, then its a porsche...that goes for 924s, 914s and boxsters....ive never met a porsche i didnt like.......but a porsche owner?......

BUT....as for the new SUV thats comin out?....yikes...makes me wonder where porsche is trying to go.....id say theyre about 7 years late on the SUV market, and why try something totally new in a market thats already overflowed with SUVs?
i think theyd have more luck bringin back the 944....or why not a prosche hatchback? i mean if mercedes can do it why not porsche?
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Re: Is a Boxster a "real Porsche"? (yellowbird)

Well, if the front-engined 928 didn't break the mold, the Boxster doesn't either, with its unconventional ideas.
The only way they could wreck it is by making it *snick* FWD



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Re: Is a Boxster a "real Porsche"? (matt007)

I couldnt agree with you more, yellowbird.
Re: Is a Boxster a "real Porsche"? (yellowbird)

couldn't have said it better myself. fact of the matter is that the people that are concerned about their car being a "real" whatever didn't buy the car for its performance... they got it for the perceived praise that they thought they'd get.
i'm more impressed by a 50 year old guy driving a 912 at 110% than a 25 year old one driving a 911turbo at 5%.
obin
Re: Is a Boxster a "real Porsche"? (Obin Robinson)

the 911 has been around for what 40 years? It is in my opinion a true porsche, but I also believe that heritage has to begin somewhere and the Boxster is a damn good place to start it is also a true porsche because it has the qualities of excellence bestowed to it. Anything that is crafted by the hard working german engineers of Strutgratt you know is going to be good. It's a car that can hold its own I think like previous posters said, this is a battle for exclusivity not performance or engineering. The purist hate how the boxster is more readily obtainable. I think People forget that it in fact saved porsche from bankruptcy and renewed interest in the failing company in the early 90's.


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Re: Is a Boxster a "real Porsche"? (Obin Robinson)

the 911 has been around for what 40 years? It is in my opinion a true porsche, but I also believe that heritage has to begin somewhere and the Boxster is a damn good place to start it is also a true porsche because it has the qualities of excellence bestowed to it. I think People forget that it in fact saved porsche from bankruptcy and renewed interest in the failing company.
Re: Is a Boxster a "real Porsche"? (Xenondub)

What about the Beetle?
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Re: Is a Boxster a "real Porsche"? (KEITH)

What are the primary differences between 911 and boxter today?
Don't they share many parts these days?
I imagine engines aren't the same. What about the chassi?
If TT is essentialy a Golf with nice components, expensive skin and interior all around, what is the relationship of those Porsche?
Re: Is a Boxster a "real Porsche"? (some9one)

Boxster is a real Porsche, its concept dates back to the 914 and 356 Spyder which both are great mid-engined, RWD roadster. While most people associate "Porsche" with "911", you can deny Boxster also represented an important part of this German firm's history.
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Re: Is a Boxster a "real Porsche"? (KEITH)

quote:[HR][/HR]What about the Beetle?
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The first 356 is based on the Beetle platform.
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Re: Is a Boxster a "real Porsche"? (some9one)

Yes, Boxster is a real Porsche, unlike the Canyoner... eh, Cayenne.
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