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Can FWD cars really inherit the M badge? Git yer popcorn ready, TCL.



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If the recently leaked information is true, BMW's smallest offerings will gain a bit more power in performance trim. Buyers in the US and around the world could enjoy 315 horsepower (235 kilowatts) in the X1 M35i, while markets open to the 1 Series could have the same punch in an updated M135i.

The information comes from Bimmerpost. The popular BMW forum listed updated information for future models, mentioning the X1 M35i xDrive as having 315 hp in the process. The hotter M135 isn't mentioned specifically, but the latest information claims the top-trim version of BMW's B48 engine will make the aforementioned power level. This is the turbocharged 2.0-liter transverse-mount engine used in the 1 Series. Motor1.com contacted BMW regarding the alleged increase in power, but the automaker declined to comment.

The new X1 already debuted for 2023, but only in lower XDrive28i trim. Its version of the turbocharged four-pot makes 241 hp (180 kW), with a seven-speed dual-clutch transmission handling gear changes. Front-wheel drive is no longer offered in the X1, so regardless of the trim level, power goes to all four wheels. We've seen spy photos of the M35 in action at the Nurburgring, brandishing quad-exhaust tips and tweaked body panels hiding beneath camouflage wrap. It will definitely stand apart from the standard model.

As for the 1 Series, we've also captured camouflaged prototypes in action with quad-exhaust tips. The current M135 already pulls 302 hp (225 kW) from its boosted engine, so the power bump is certainly modest in nature. It's interesting to note the leaked information mentions the X1 as the first vehicle to use the updated engine. This matches our timeline for when the hotter X1 and refreshed 1 Series should debut, lending further credence to the rumor.

Speaking of which, we expect an X1 M35i reveal before the end of 2022. Meanwhile, the M135i xDrive just arrived for the 2022 model year, so updates there are likely a year or more away.
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Not really an M badge, just the M Lite badge, just like the AMG35 doesn't have an Affalterbach assembled motor and isn't a full blown AMG car. And a Tiguan can have 300hp in most countries, so not really a huge achievement. We had an X2 for a loaner for a few days, I can't see any reason to buy one, but then I'm pretty far from their target customer.
 

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This is AWD (thus the X-Drive badge), and this powertrain is already sold in the US as the M235 x-drive Gran Coupe.

It competes with other FWD-based haldex AWD cars, like the Audi S3 and Mercedes AMG35's.

Everyone loves the Audi (including me -- I owned one) and the Golf R. But slap a BMW/MB logo on it? And TCL revolts.

That said, neither the BMW nor the MB powertrains hold a candle to the excellent VW/Audi 2.0T+DSG combo.
 

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That said, neither the BMW nor the MB powertrains hold a candle to the excellent VW/Audi 2.0T+DSG combo.
Have you driven the latest BMW and Mercedes products? I think your statement is true for the last generation of these cars only. BMW and Mercedes have both done a fantastic job with the programming of their smaller FWD-based products these days. I actually think the Audi S3 is more annoying than the other two because of it's throttle/turbo lag in the default mode.
 
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That said, neither the BMW nor the MB powertrains hold a candle to the excellent VW/Audi 2.0T+DSG combo.
And even more so, the BMW, Audi and MB don't even exist with a manual, so they're invisible to me.

But ultimately, BMW was stupid to let their fwd cars become BMW and should have leveraged MINI for that, now MINI is pretty much dead and people dislike the fwd biased BMWs.
 

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Have you driven the latest BMW and Mercedes products? I think your statement is true for the last generation of these cars only. BMW and Mercedes have both done a fantastic job with the programming of their smaller FWD-based products these days. I actually think the Audi S3 is more annoying than the other two because of it's throttle/turbo lag in the default mode.
No, I have not. But I will take your word for it. The bigger issue, for me, is that all of BMW's FWD-architecture cars are really ugly. Audi makes their compact sedans beautiful, and MB's have decent, if a bit eccentric, styling. But the BMW? Blech.
 

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And even more so, the BMW, Audi and MB don't even exist with a manual, so they're invisible to me.

But ultimately, BMW was stupid to let their fwd cars become BMW and should have leveraged MINI for that, now MINI is pretty much dead and people dislike the fwd biased BMWs.
Haha. It's another "No manuel, no care" guy, in 2022. You can go back to the MK4 forums and pout.

The reality is that this gen, and the prior gen, S3/Golf R, were terrible with manuals. The cars (and their engine powerbands) were designed for the superb DSG.

And the vast majority of BMW buyers, particularly the buyers of these tiny-Bimmers, do not know or care about the powertrain style of the cars.
 

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M used to mean something. Now the only letters that count are RS.
 

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No, I have not. But I will take your word for it. The bigger issue, for me, is that all of BMW's FWD-architecture cars are really ugly. Audi makes their compact sedans beautiful, and MB's have decent, if a bit eccentric, styling. But the BMW? Blech.
We agree on that!
 

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X2 version is way more interesting, but even that is relatively speaking.... this is basically a Taos R with a BMW tax
 

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The reality is that this gen, and the prior gen, S3/Golf R, were terrible with manuals. The cars (and their engine powerbands) were designed for the superb DSG.
As a manual MK7.5 owner I have no idea what you're talking about. The car is not "terrible" at all, in fact it's very good. Sure it's faster with a DSG but I really don't care about that. I also have no idea what you mean about the powerband being terrible for the manual. The Golf R has a very linear powerband with minimal turbo lag. It doesn't have the big hit of low end torque that the GTI has, but it pulls to redline very nicely.

I think the shifter can be improved a bit, but it's not terrible. It's numb, but I've never missed a shift. Clutch if fine, light, but fine. I honestly don't get the hate.

As far as the small sporty SUV's like the M35i X1 goes, if other people like them, cool. If I was buying a small SUV I'd rather have something like the baby Bronco that can actually do some light offroading.
 

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As a manual MK7.5 owner I have no idea what you're talking about. The car is not "terrible" at all, in fact it's very good. Sure it's faster with a DSG but I really don't care about that. I also have no idea what you mean about the powerband being terrible for the manual. The Golf R has a very linear powerband with minimal turbo lag. It doesn't have the big hit of low end torque that the GTI has, but it pulls to redline very nicely.

I think the shifter can be improved a bit, but it's not terrible. It's numb, but I've never missed a shift. Clutch if fine, light, but fine. I honestly don't get the hate.

As far as the small sporty SUV's like the M35i X1 goes, if other people like them, cool. If I was buying a small SUV I'd rather have something like the baby Bronco that can actually do some light offroading.
I disagree with you -- and I drove a couple of manual R's before buying my S3. Perhaps at stock power levels what you are saying is accurate, but at 400hp+, stage 2+, the manual just doesn't cut the cheese (not to mention the stock clutch, etc., can barely handle the stock power levels). But to each their own -- I am not begrudging you your transmission choice. Did you ever test drive a DSG, model, though?
 

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I disagree with you -- and I drove a couple of manual R's before buying my S3. Perhaps at stock power levels what you are saying is accurate, but at 400hp+, stage 2+, the manual just doesn't cut the cheese (not to mention the stock clutch, etc., can barely handle the stock power levels). But to each their own -- I am not begrudging you your transmission choice. Did you ever test drive a DSG, model, though?
Nope. But I have a manual Mk8 R coming. The wife drives automatics, they’re better than they used to be, but I’ll never own one. I did briefly consider a lease on an S3 when she had tons of equity in her old Q5, but I couldn’t see spending $10k more to get less power and the old Haldex.
 
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