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Come one, come all, to GLIDAN’s long awaited purchase post. Was it in an accident? Was the last owner formerly from the Jersey shore? Was it on AMEX and is a refund necessary? Find out all this and more.

Disclaimers: I am not a photographer. I am not a writer. Good luck.

For the TL;DR crowd: This car is everything I wanted in a daily driver. I am extremely pleased to cross this ownership off my bucket list, and do not plan on getting rid of this one for quite some time.

I think an understanding of perspective, and in particular my perspective, is a good place to start. Those of us who are active on the good ol’ TCL regularly throw around our unfettered opinions day in and day out for the unwashed internet masses to read. In particular, when speaking about a new car, or an old car most of us have very strong opinions/biases/comments etc. Our opinions tend to be more strongly for or against certain genres, niches, brands, makes, models etc. That strong leaning either for or against is inevitably derived from one particular, or group of, experiences related to the subject vehicle. While many of us have experienced numerous vehicles, some for long durations and some for short durations, it’s fair to say the vehicles we have or do own (or that we grew up with), likely had the largest impact on our perspective towards other cars, for better or for worse.

For me, that meant I grew up in my dad’s Cadillac STS’s he had for over a decade (3-4 cars from 1994-2005 roughly), then there was a 2005ish E500 MB, followed by a 2007 Lexus GS350, then there were a few accidents that caused some flip flopping between Audi A6’s (4.2), another Lexus GS350 or two, a brief stint with an A4 cabriolet, until back to the A6’s that my father has been driving to this day. I believe he’s on his fourth in a row. In case you haven’t caught on he leases his cars. My mother, the first car she got was a long term lending of a friend’s Ford Escort, this was the early 90’s. I don’t recall the year, but I can remember placing my head on the passenger glass and letting the vibrations thoroughly rattle through my head and into my ears and nose. It was not a pleasant automobile. From there my mother had an RX300, RX350, MDX, IS250, 2x Jeep Grand Cherokee, and currently a Q5.

Me personally, my first car was my 2004 GLI 1.8t, which lead me to this place to begin with. Loved that car, was wonderful for what it was, good fun with what I did to it. After about 6-7 years I sold it, and bought my 2004 330ci (SMG), it had about 78K miles, I sold it ~6 years later and bought a 2013 335i M-sport coupe that had bout 13K miles (total basket case car), did about 23K miles over a year and a half and sold it to hop into my Q50RS lease which turned out to be the best car, objectively, I’ve ever owned. The Q50RS did everything well, quite, smooth, exceptionally fast, amazing brakes, tossable enough given its size/sedan intentions. But as good as it was, it was missing that intangible factor that makes you want to drive it.

That is 3 decades (my whole life), worth of my experiences with automotive ownership. I lay that out only to give you an idea of what type of vehicles I’ve honestly spent years with and I can say likely left the largest impact on my understanding and appreciation for cars. The thing is, it’s really only two that truly stand out for me, and the two that I believe really shaped my personal preferences. The first, is one I didn’t mention, the second was my E46.

The car I didn’t mention was my father’s E23 735i (I believe it was an 86 or 87 model). It looked almost identical to this car I found on BaT, except IIRC my father’s had bottle cap wheels:



I only have a handful of fleeting memories of this car. Two remain somewhat vivid. The first, my favorite, and what I believe started my passion for driving and cars was my father flooring it through the only tunnel we have here in Lauderdale. His office was on the other side of the tunnel, and tiny me in the back yelling “daddy go fast,” meant anytime I accompanied him to the office I was in for a tunnel blast. (which I now do myself). Something about those tunnel blasts stuck with me, the feeling, the thrill, the sound. All of it. The other memory? The car not starting approximately every other start due to a fuse or some other mechanical/electrical gremlin. Classic BMW.

Even searching for my first car, which was eventually the GLI, my search was predominately for E46 BMW’s, which had just been replaced by the E9x cars when I started High School (2006-7). That meant out of budget per my father’s requirements (still under warranty, less than $20K.) For the duration of my ownership for the GLI I scoured CL, auto trader, cars.com, all of them looking for a deal on a E46 that I could swap my GLI for. Eventually, the values were close enough. I managed to sell the GLI and get into my E46 for little more than tax, tag, and title. Out of my vehicles so far, the E46 is the only one I want back. It was simple, sleek, elegant, a riot to drive, but not flashy, not fast. It was just good.



To this day, if I could give that car back to BMW and have them return it brand new, I’d buy it and be happy. Which is why when I bought my 335i, I thought I was doing that. Getting the new version, but unfortunately the new version was nothing like the old. It was faster, had more tech, sounded sexier. It was honestly a good and fun car, but it wasn’t what the E46 was (hint E87 is where its at). Unfortunately the one I got was also just a basket case, so I dumped it after not too long. Then came the Q50RS offering tons of power, brand new, and at a much lower cost than S4’s, S3’s, and 340i’s we. That car was a lease, and by the start of year 3, the hunt was on for the next car.

I looked at a lot of things, test drove many things. Slowly the search was narrowed to P-cars, BMW’s, and select Audi s3/4/5 optioned a particular way and in certain years. Ultimately that was narrowed to only BMW/Porsche. Although I nearly went with a Cayman, I ultimately passed. The ones in my price range were questionable, and I didn’t feel like dealing with the stigma of a young associate driving a p-car The focus turned to BMW…I suppose my nurtured bias was finally showing.

I figured great, 440i’s, 340i’s, 240i’s, all have plenty of power, should be fun, and are in my price range while still CPO w/ warranty. I drove them all. Several of each. Hated them all. It reminded me of the difference between my E46 and E92, except substantially worse in every way from a driver perspective. A-B transport, sure its better because its quieter, more comfortable, more sedate. For me? They were piles of meh. The 240i was probably the most fun, but left something to be desired. Don’t forget however moving from the gobs of power the Q50RS had was also a problem. I couldn’t go backwards in that department – though it also out braked those cars. I eventually realized I had to look to the next level to be satiated; so began the search for a non-molested, clean, low mile, 2016+ M3/4 for under $40K. The results were slim to say the least. Even nationwide, most cars at this price were salvage titles, high miles, or were modified in a way that I wasn’t interested in even trying to reverse it. Eventually, I decided to stop in and test drive a 2016 M4 in black with 33K miles that was sitting on a used car lot. The car fax noted paint work, but no accident. I hadn’t driven an F8x car yet, so I figured what the hell, I need to know if I’m actually going to like the car since the non-M variants left me wanting.

I get there, the car is inside of the show room. The dealer is actually nice for a used car dealer. The lot is a former Lexus dealership, people were reasonable, I dealt mostly with managers other than when I went for the test drive. I get to the car, and its about as rough around the edges as I would expect for the price, $38K. But nothing a real solid detail and minor correction couldn’t fix, less a handful of small dents and a nik that was touched up on the rear bumper. Considering the car was from Jersey/NY, I chalked this up to the nature of the environment since the interior was immaculate. Combine that with the fact the interior is the equivalent of the E36’s dove grey, I took that as a sign the owner probably kept good care of the car overall.

Initially, the car had a lot of vibrations, tire pressures were off at all four corners, low pressure light was on, but I was immediately smitten. The moment I floored it for the first time, it was game over. I knew I had to have one, not necessarily this one, but I had to have one. Spoiler alert, it ended up being this one. After two more visits and test drives with them doing a balance checking the tires etc, as well as some second opinions and internet research, I bought the car in July for $36K (+TTT, aftermarket warranty, and the good ol’ dealer fee). All in, including interest, the cost of the car will be right about $42K.

Now, I’m sure you’re saying, “but wait, you said paint work!.” That is true. The front bumper was resprayed, a pre purchase inspection photographed by the dealer showed the bumper was pretty beat up from rock chips, what I can only assume were shopping carts, and a few good ol love taps from other people. Nothing I was worried about because it mechanically checked out, and it was going to be a DD. For that second reason alone, I almost didn’t want a totally pristine car. Anyways, couldn’t be happier with the purchase.

So now that you read all that, here are some photos and my thoughts about the car:

Thinking back on my E46, the F82 feels like the bigger, roided up, jock brother to the younger track and field athlete E46. I think it’s why I like it so much. It has all the elements that I loved about my E46 except ratcheted up to 12. Considering the M4 only has about 350lbs on the E46, it’s not surprising. Keep in mind, I’m comparing my 330ci, not an M3 here. Comparing actual performance is pointless because it’s obvious, but that intangible feeling the Q50RS lacked, the M4 oozes. It’s what I’ve been missing since I sold the E46.

Without further ado, here is she is, in all her glory parked at my parent’s house. I took a quick test shot with my mother’s borrowed DSLR Nikon before leaving to make the most of the hour and a half I had before heading back to my house to pick my fiancé up for dinner…at my parent’s house. It was an absolutely gorgeous day, if a little too bright at 330-430pm. Anyways, enjoy the quick tour of my stomping grounds of Ft. Lauderdale.




Looks: Let’s be real, its all about perspective, and whether you like the look is subjective. Personally, I love it. As much as I didn’t enjoy what they did with the 3 series in the F generation, I loved the 4 series from the moment it debuted. BMW nailed the lines. Can one argue the M3 looks better than the M4? Certainly, but I’d argue it just depends on the angle, and angle for angle I think the M4 wins out. Killer haunches however does go to the M3. Also, I’ll mention here that I ruled out looking for a competition early on, in part due to price, but also when really boiling it all down, I didn’t see the value for the extra money. The final point that made me entirely unconcerned with finding a Comp pkg car was finding out the wheels on my car (437m 21.9/22.5 f/r) are forged and weigh less than the competition wheels (666m 25lbs/26lbs f/r), also the comp wheels are 20in. I had mine refinished because there were some bends as well as curb rash on all but 1. That cost $647 and they look, I cannot overstate this, brand new.



Interior:

So I realized after I got home from dinner I never took an interior photo, so that is why you get the above potato phone in a garage photo. Deal with it.

I’ve always enjoyed the driver oriented simplicity of BMW interiors. It seems with each generation the interior does get a little less driver focused, but I can still notice it. Once seated everything is within reach and easily falls to your hand. 12 years on everything feels to be in the same place as it was in the E46.

My E92 had Oyster leather, so this isn’t my first time with a light color, but this is proving more difficult than the oyster which had some beige/tan hues that hid dirt better than the greys of this interior. I added the mats, that was one thing the car was missing, interior mats (2 keys though!). The carpet underneath is immaculate. The mats were a stupid amount of money ($136), but genuine black carpet mats were more anyways. These are at least all weather and I like the fact the grey ties into the leather and carbon fiber trim.

The seats are phenomenal, but a tad stiff. The support is everywhere you need it, but I feel they could have added a touch more padding. OOOO and the seat badges light up which is so childishly cool. Again, forgot about the interior photos so potato phone pic:



Back to the beginning, from my parent’s house I pulled out of their neighborhood and stopped in a parking lot frequently used on the weekends by local, and sometimes less than savory individuals, dropping a line to catch some fish. The bridge behind the car is at the edge of the neighborhood. These canals lead to the intracoastal and you’re about 15min from puttering to the nearest outlet and into the ocean.



Performance: Yet again, perspective here. This is the fastest car I have owned to date, and save for when I valeted or the odd quick lending of a family friend’s keys, the fast car I’ve had a chance to really drive. If you’re used to something with 500hp, this will be nothing special to you. For me? This thing is a brutish animal. There is power everywhere, and it’s instant. The response is instantaneous, and the delivery provides a feeling that this car is meant to be thrashed. The motor wants to scream and let loose. It’s a wonderful feeling. It was also quite the experience the first time I found out that 1-2 and 2-3 shifts will chirp and set the tail loose depending on how you have the car set up.

In case you don’t know, you have 4 different adjustments: steering, suspension, throttle/engine, and transmission. For the suspension and steering the options are comfort, sport, and sport plus. For the throttle/engine it’s efficient, sport and sport plus. The transmission has smooth auto (1), auto (2), sequential (3). In full sport plus with the transmission set to 3, this thing bangs off shifts that brings back memories to watching the top gear crew shift threw the gears in the first iterations of the dct boxes in lambos. It’s brutal and I love it. Pull, bang, next gear. It’s incredible with each upshift the car just seems to pull harder. I’m typically in sport plus for the steering and throttle, sport for the suspension, and 3 for the transmission which I typically drive in manual mode. With the fiancé, this is efficient, comfort, sport plus (steering), and 2 with the transmission in auto. Efficient also keeps the car quiet, sport and sport plus both open the exhaust flap.

The DCT, I love it. My GLI was manual, I enjoyed that experience and I appreciate driving a manual because it truly is a different connection. That said, I wouldn’t trade this for a manual M4. The DCT is perfect. It suits the car, gives me all the control I would want with a manual while still allowing me to drive around traffic and in town without hassle. My E46 was an SMG car (different SMG box than in the M3), and I really enjoyed that transmission as well for a lot of the same reasons. But it was clearly a prototype compared to the DCT in the F82.

I view this as a cost of ownership so this is not a complaint, but the gas usage is hysterical. It has a small tank (I think 14?) and I drive it hard when possible. I’m getting around 200mi a tank depending how much highway driving I get in. Computer says 17mpg.



Not wanting to squander a beautiful day, not having much time, and not knowing where to go for some half decent photos I decided to drive up the beach. After watching a beat up first gen G35 sedan cut off and almost get plowed into by a Mercedes I pulled off A1A and wound up pulling into an old parking lot area next to a marina on the intercoastal side.



Handling/Steering: Admittedly, coming from the Q50RS into the F82 there was a brief period of becoming reacquainted with how weighty BMW steering feel is, but it didn’t take long to feel like I had returned home. Hate on electric racks all you want, they aren’t leaving, and this is a damn good one. Wherever I point, the car goes, I can feel every divot and little groove that tugs at the wheel. It’ is direct, precise, and tight.

Grip…wow. I recently did the BMW M-Performance Driving Event, it’s a free event and for my full review on that see my post here: https://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?9319719-BMW-M-Track-Days-registration-is-now-open It’s a hell of a time and a must do if you have one close to you. That enabled me to really go all out, albeit in a 2019 M4C, but I got a good feel for what my car can do. It’s head and shoulders above any previous car I’ve had. There is no limit to the grip, the car is communicative and tells you where the limit is before you hit it.

Now that said, it is a harsh ride. Around town, I’m dodging whatever imperfections in the road I can avoid. In comfort mode, it’s actually not bad, but there’s a touch too much body roll for my taste. Sport is a happy medium and where I typically leave it. Sport plus is not a fun time on the road, but the extra body control is immediately noticeable in corners.

Moving on with the scenic tour, a 430i convertible happened to drive by and made for this incidental photo:



Noises: I hated the way the S55 sounded when it debuted. Still don’t like it at cold start. But damn does it ever sound amazing once warmed up. It’s not the generic turbo 6 sound that has become so common. It’s visceral, and raunchy. It’s course and raspy. Yet it still sounds like a symphony at full song. The addition of some turbo hissing is also entertaining. My only gripe is that the stock set up stifles all burbles on decel. I loathe burble tunes, I won’t get one, they are the fart can of the post FnF generation. But I want some natural burble, and I know it’s there, you can just barely make it out before the emissions controls stifle it. If someone has an easy answer to this without making the car louder or droning I’m all ears. Otherwise, I’m not touching the exhaust it’s perfect as is for me sound/noise wise.








Unfortunately, I had run out of time so this was the only spot I made it to. A colleague from my office has an M2 that he’d like to get some shots of, so a dual shoot may be in the future. Anyways here are a few more, thanks for reading. I love the car, feel free to give me your thoughts, comments, and questions…not that I have an option with you bunch anyways. Oh also, this was in part an early 30th birthday present to myself. Crossing an M car off the bucket list. P-Car is the next prize.







I'll bump it for the morning crowd need be. :beer:
 

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Congratulations on "coming home!"

Seeing threads like this, so much genuine stoke on a vehicle dream realized, really makes me want to have a fun-to-drive car again. Enjoy it in good health and go find some curves in Georgia. :laugh: :beer:
 

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I absolutely LOVE this thread. Congratulations on the dream realized and enjoy the hell out of your M4! :beer: :beer:
 

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Congrats man. I love how the seats light up when you unlock it, looks great at night when you're walking up to it.
 

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I love this in every way, and your post echos a lot of my sentiments and a similar journey (though I’m ending up with +2 doors). It seems that nowadays, to get the BMW experience, you have to step it up to the “full M”. I, too, was disappointed by the M-light cars (M240i in particular, I had such high hopes) but the F80 feels just right. I can’t wait for mine to get here.

As far as the S55 sound is concerned, you should check out the new equal length mid-pipe options that are just getting released. They’re not perfect but they get the S55 very close to that singing I6 sound that the older cars are known for (I’ve got my mind set on the one from Active Autowerke).
 

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Great write up, thanks for sharing! Did you look at M2s at all? From what I've read, it's closest to the e46-era BMW, but I have no experience with any BMW other than my old E90 335i.
 

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Great write up, thanks for sharing! Did you look at M2s at all? From what I've read, it's closest to the e46-era BMW, but I have no experience with any BMW other than my old E90 335i.
Curious about this as well, although he did say he took a 240 for a spin...

Either way, congrats OP. Great photos and write-up. Definitely want to cross off one of these for my ownership eventually :beer:
 

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Congratulations on "coming home!"

Seeing threads like this, so much genuine stoke on a vehicle dream realized, really makes me want to have a fun-to-drive car again. Enjoy it in good health and go find some curves in Georgia. :laugh: :beer:
Ha. Thank you! Would definitely enjoy a road trip to some good driving roads.

Beautiful! Sounds like a great car for you and I'm happy to see it's not black on black. :thumbup:
The interior was a big selling point for me. I'll try to get around to taking some better pictures. The two tone really provides a nice contrast.

Congrats on the purchase! :beer:

I seem to have done the reverse of you: P car came first, then moved on to an M car.
I'm hoping when it comes time for the P-car I can afford to go to the dealer and spec my own, it was part of the rationale. I've bought 2 used BMW's already, I want that P-car to be something real special when I get there.

I absolutely LOVE this thread. Congratulations on the dream realized and enjoy the hell out of your M4! :beer: :beer:
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Enjoy the new whip...in for more pics of South Florida
I'll see what I can do. We've had rain every day this week since I took those photos on sunday. My colleague with the M2 is supposedly getting a detail done this weekend...maybe....

Congrats man. I love how the seats light up when you unlock it, looks great at night when you're walking up to it.
It really is a nice touch. One of the few things I plan to change is updating them to the LCI black seat inserts that say M4.

I love this in every way, and your post echos a lot of my sentiments and a similar journey (though I’m ending up with +2 doors). It seems that nowadays, to get the BMW experience, you have to step it up to the “full M”. I, too, was disappointed by the M-light cars (M240i in particular, I had such high hopes) but the F80 feels just right. I can’t wait for mine to get here.

As far as the S55 sound is concerned, you should check out the new equal length mid-pipe options that are just getting released. They’re not perfect but they get the S55 very close to that singing I6 sound that the older cars are known for (I’ve got my mind set on the one from Active Autowerke).
You won't be disappointed. Thanks for allowing my thread to be your first post! I don't know if I want to modify the exhaust too much because I really don't want it to be any louder. I'll see if I can find any vids though.

Great write up, thanks for sharing! Did you look at M2s at all? From what I've read, it's closest to the e46-era BMW, but I have no experience with any BMW other than my old E90 335i.
Yes and no. I didn't want to buy the same car as my colleague and the competitions were out of my price range. I also wanted the full M experience with the seats and S55. So I kind of skipped over the M2. If this was a year later and the M2C's dropped into my range, there is a good chance I would have wound up with one. I agree though, they are the right size. I believe the dimensions are within an inch of the E46.
 

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Congrats on the new car. Really enjoyed the write-up. It's a nice reminder of the excitement that a car can bring to an enthusiast and why we like cars. I will say this, if you like DCT on the road, you should get the car on a road course. DCT is spectacular in that setting. Looking forward to reading how this car treats you over the next several years. I will say this, it's hard to move on from an M car. You realize that to get into something that's really head and shoulders better, you need to spend substantially more (IMO).
 

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Congrats on the new car. Really enjoyed the write-up. It's a nice reminder of the excitement that a car can bring to an enthusiast and why we like cars. I will say this, if you like DCT on the road, you should get the car on a road course. DCT is spectacular in that setting. Looking forward to reading how this car treats you over the next several years. I will say this, it's hard to move on from an M car. You realize that to get into something that's really head and shoulders better, you need to spend substantially more (IMO).
The M-performance driving event I did included an M4C w/ DCT and was at the Palm beach International raceway (formerly Moroso). I got to do about 5 laps in the car and was able to push it pretty damn hard. I linked to that thread somewhere in the post, I didn't create the thread but i posted my impressions of the events and cars. Worth a look, but yes DCT is amazing.

As for moving on, I agree. I've made a forward step performance wise with each purchase and with each step forward the next step becomes greater. We'll see how things look in 5-7 years. I'm looking at 2022 for a wedding, and I'm aiming to sell my townhouse and move into a home by 2025. Ideally, I'll shoe the M4 away as a weekend car and pick up a daily and then eventually replace the M4 with a 911. But who knows. Right now, first time in a long time I have no desire to even browse what may be available.
 

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Thank you for putting this all together............... this was exactly the kind of breakdown I wanted

Did you consider any 911s at all or were they all too old? What kind of annual mileage do you do?

Glad you are happy with your purchase and I hope it keeps you entertained for a long time!
 

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As for moving on, I agree. I've made a forward step performance wise with each purchase and with each step forward the next step becomes greater. We'll see how things look in 5-7 years. I'm looking at 2022 for a wedding, and I'm aiming to sell my townhouse and move into a home by 2025. Ideally, I'll shoe the M4 away as a weekend car and pick up a daily and then eventually replace the M4 with a 911. But who knows. Right now, first time in a long time I have no desire to even browse what may be available.
This describes my situation pretty well. I got my car about 2 years before getting married (though we already had the house by then). I had my car for about 3 years before I was able to make it a real weekender. I'm 5 years into M3 ownership and am still pretty satisfied with the car. And yet, I'm interested in getting into something that trades some practicality for more sport. No decisions have been made, but I'd like it to be a new Porsche---cayman though, instead of the 911.
 

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Nice review. I could see myself getting an F80 M3 one day.
 

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Thank you for putting this all together............... this was exactly the kind of breakdown I wanted

Did you consider any 911s at all or were they all too old? What kind of annual mileage do you do?

Glad you are happy with your purchase and I hope it keeps you entertained for a long time!
:beer: cheers to that. I put some effort into this one, so you guys enjoying the post gives me some enjoyment as well.

I did look into 911's, I think I even posted about one. I wasn't interested in 996's only because for the purposes of a DD I did want simple creature comforts such as bluetooth, then I thought well I can just install these things via the aftermarket. The more I looked into though the 996 just wasn't right for me for a dd, 2nd car? Definitely. So i began looking at 997's but any of the ones in my price range were in the 70K mile range, usually automatic, and the most boring color combos (grey/grey, white/grey, or some outlandish interior color). I really wanted a PDK car and those were out of budget. I ultimately decided that getting into a 911 would force too many compromises just to be in a 911 instead of the 911 I would have wanted. Cayman's were closer, and honestly would have been feasible, but the more I looked the more I was forced to compromise on options I would have wanted. That is why I ultimately decided to shelve the P-car until I can afford what I want.
 

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You won't be disappointed. Thanks for allowing my thread to be your first post! I don't know if I want to modify the exhaust too much because I really don't want it to be any louder. I'll see if I can find any vids though.
I haven't had the chance to hear one of the new EL midpipes in person yet but most say it doesn't make it louder, it just changes the tone and pitch (there are resonated and non-resonated versions for the downpipe/exhaust vs stock crowd). Mine is coming with an AA non-EL midpipe, thankfully the PO is also sending the stock one in case it's too loud - I don't want any extra attention and I'd rather keep my neighbors happy when I fire it up in the early AM :).
 

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You write a lot of words.

In these days of Twitter and sound bites, that's a high, sincere compliment, by the way.

Enjoy your car, definitely a keeper! :wave:
 
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