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My 2001 GTI 1.8T sees some serious winter driving. Big pot holes and frost heaves. Occasional use of tire chains. My winter setup is 15" steelies with Nokian Hakka Q's. I'd like to upgrade the suspension but I don't want to lower the car and I still want it to be able to deal with frost heaves and pot holes. I run Bilstein's on my SUV. I presume I'll get the same sort of improvement on my VW by swapping over to Bilstein sport shocks? What else can I do to stiffen things up "a little" and make the car not wallow so much but still be a reasonable compromise for hard winter driving?
 

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Re: Mods that work on a winter car (A3Jetta)

quote:[HR][/HR]I have H&R Sports and Koni adjustables on my car. It is a daily driver in all kinds of weather, and I take it skiing in Vermont with snow tires.[HR][/HR]​
No sh1t. My only winter mods are softening up the suspension (Koni yellows) and running Bridgestone Blizzzaks. I can't afford a winter beater...yet
 

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Re: Mods that work on a winter car (GeoffD)

Get some good shocks (like the Bilsteins, Konis, etc) and either stick with stock springs or get Neuspeed SofSports. The SofSports will give you better handling, but will also give you a harsher ride. In any event, 70% of the improvement can be found just by replacing your shocks, so even if you only do shocks, you'll enjoy the results (slightly overdamped as it may be).
EDIT: Oh yeah, I have the Eibach ProSystem, which I would recommend to almost anyone... but if you are talking about hardcore winter driving with tire chains, etc. then you might need all the ground clearance you can get. I find that 1.2" of lowering really doesn't make much difference, but then again, I never use chains, and I stay off the roads when it's gets bad.


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Re: Mods that work on a winter car (GeoffD)

If you're looking for a good handling setup that doesn't put you real low, put some thought or ask around about the Shine Real Street setup. Doesn't lower the car much, but it puts you on Bilsteins (highly recomended) and stiffer springs. I have them on my car, and it rides awesome. Not too stiff, but not too soft. I also have their rear swaybar in mine, another item I'd highly recommend. Really balances the car out.
THe only downside I've seen with the setup is that if you want to be really low, this isn't the setup to go with. It's probably about a half inch or so lower than stock, but it looks nice.
Check out their website at SRSVW.com
John
Real Street equipped for over a year (works REALLY well for autocrossing too)
'92 Jetta 2L 8V
 

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I recommend against having a big rear sway (like the Shine bar as mentioned above) for hardcore winter driving. What may be wonderfully neutral handling on dry pavement can turn into surprising oversteer on a patch of ice. Even if you don't drive like an idiot, you can exceed winter traction limits very easily, especially when it's slick out there.
I am not just singling out a big rear sway, either. An aggressive suspension setup in general with stiff springs, shocks, and low profile tires will increase transient response to the point where you can generate significant lateral g's just by turning the steering wheel a little too quickly -- the amount of which can easily exceed available traction on slick roads. Steering inputs have to be very smooth and controlled, leaving little room for error.
Remember that what makes your car nimble, neutral, and a brilliant handler on dry pavement is your worst enemy on a slick winter road. Most people will accept that winter tires are a necessary evil in the winter, and that to optimize for either summer or winter performance with tires, you have to sacrifice one for the other -- i.e., you can't have it both ways. Well, the same goes with suspension.
Some people may achieve this by using adjustable dampers and disconnecting/reconnecting their rear swaybars. Personally, I find this too much of a hassle, so I just settle for a milder suspension setup. I'd rather have that extra margin of safety in the winter and don't mind the compromise. After all, it's better to be safe than sorry.


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Re: Mods that work on a winter car (92Jetta2L)

I second 92Jetta2L about shine...I got it just because you never know what you'll encounter here in Canada....
handles AWESOME, no different or if not better than my friend's KW, Weitec or H&R's........profile view is a bit funny....back is dropped about 1" and the front is about 3/8"...noticeable drop but definitely high for an aftermarket suspension...
I've had no trouble, but the back is actually low....I've had a few muffler scrapes if I'm not careful on some driveways...
 

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Re: Mods that work on a winter car (catalytic)

As I said earlier...all I did this winter was to get some Blizzaks and soften up my Koni adjustables. I left my rear swaybar on. I agree that a tight suspension may be tricky in slick conditions but the problem is solved if you ease up on the throttle. At slow speeds body roll is minimal anyway so a rear swaybar doesn't make it anymore dangerous than driving too fast in icey conditions
 

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Re: Mods that work on a winter car (bajan01)

Thanks all for the input. http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
I think I'll experiment with better shocks and see how that changes things. I've been pretty happy with Bilsteins on other cars so I'll probably stick with that brand. I really don't want to lower the suspension and all the aftermarket options I've seen lower by at least an inch. I'm not too worried about degraded handling in the snow with a stiffer suspension. I also drive a huge barge of an SUV and there's no possible way a VW could be made to handle as poorly as my SUV. The real problem with going too stiff is I see major frost heaves and I'd get kidney damage.
 

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Re: Mods that work on a winter car (GeoffD)

Honestly, With the Shine setup, you don't go that low so you don't have to worry about clearance. Also, the damping/spring rate combo is set to ride well and not punish you. I've driven my Jetta on some pretty nasty stuff, and had no clearance problems (well, minimal, but even stock it would have been an issue), nor have I been pounded into submission.
I hardly noticed my rear sway this winter, the car would push far before it swung unless I really tried. If you've done any e-braking in winter, you can EASILY handle it.
 

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Re: Mods that work on a winter car (92Jetta2L)

Honestly, With the Shine setup...
I wandered over to their somewhat stale web site last night. Walpole, Mass isn't too far for me so I'll give them a call.
 
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