Need more Supercharger info!!!!

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tink856

Discussion Starter · Feb 13, 2002

okay what software is AMS and Eurotech using? and what software work best? And whats with the "flat spot" on AMS?

From what i'm hearing, is it safe to assume that Eurotech is bad idea?
what about this Gen3 Z charger? what's so special about it? and whats going on with the belts? (heard Z got new cog belt??purchased separately???)

I have schrick VGI and DSR256, (quaife on the way soon), I'm pretty sure that I'll get the most out of SC my car, if I went with Z-kit, but I just want to make sure.

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Bora18t

· #2 · Feb 13, 2002

Re: Need more Supercharger info!!!! (tink856)

I know the AMS Supercharger runs AMS software, not too sure what the Eurotech runs....GIAC possibly? I haven't heard too much about the Eurotech though. Dunno about the Gen 3 Z-Charger...possibly the cog belt would be to raise the boost. My personal experiences with the Z-charger are excellent. I know of two people with them, and they love them.

jcorallo

· #3 · Feb 13, 2002

Re: Need more Supercharger info!!!! (Bora18t)

the Z boost is still the same, but the cogged belt saps less power from the system and also elimitates charger belt slip....
jules

Vento FI

· #4 · Feb 13, 2002

Re: Need more Supercharger info!!!! (jcorallo)

You have two choices here; you can either go with the AMS and if you don't like the software you can buy the upgrade from EIP or go with the Z-Charger that uses the GIAC chip.....
BTW; Eurotech does not use the GIAC software....They don't even get along.

[Modified by Vento FI, 12:51 PM 2-13-2002]

vausVR6

· #5 · Feb 13, 2002

Re: Need more Supercharger info!!!! (XXX007XXX)

Eurotech software BLOWS!!! I can tell you from experience. Besides that, unless you can physically go to the shop and get your kit, don't even bother with Eurotech. Way too many people have been burned by them. I consider myself very lucky to have actually gotten my kit from them! Out of all the kits out there, the Eurotech does produce the most power because it pushes a little more boost.

tink856

Discussion Starter · #6 · Feb 13, 2002

Re: Need more Supercharger info!!!! (tink856)

Okay, after searching around for related topics, I have to say something in Les' defense. Altho, i'm heard many stories about customer service or lack there of, I have to say, I've been reading some of the posts Les put up recently, and I've noticed that Les had put in alot of effort to straighten out what is wrong. so i'm giving Eurotech the benefit of the doubt and not jumping to conclusions. Thing might have improve now.
I mean i have seen some pretty good numbers with some Eurotech kits. as far as AMS goes, I havent seen them putting any effort on selling the kit or improving it. Z on the other hand, I have notice that more and more kinks are getting ironed out, and power seems to be increasing as the kit matures (if Z-engineering is reading this: hang your balls out there, that's how you become great!!!

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But this is what I'm thinking so far:
I dig the Z, cause of its reliability, everyday livablility, and ease of install and removeal, cant beat that! altho pricey ~~~~~!!!
I dig the AMS/Eurotech because it make more power and makes more sense to have a Blow Off Valve than Z.

(I LIKE THE PPPSSSHHHH shound!)

, I mean seriously, what's FI without that cool PPSHHHHHH!!!!!~~~
Alright, sorry, went on a tangent there. Well, I think it's too early for me to try to come to a decision. But thanks for everyone's input, helped alot.

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Dextrose

· #7 · Feb 13, 2002

Re: Need more Supercharger info!!!! (XXX007XXX)

quote:[HR][/HR]...i also have no diff. thank you ill be here all week[HR][/HR]

Freaking hilarious bro!! LMAO

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VR6'n

· #8 · Feb 14, 2002

Re: Need more Supercharger info!!!! (Dextrose)

i would go with euroTech if you live close, but if not go with AMS

Dextrose

· #9 · Feb 14, 2002

Re: Need more Supercharger info!!!! (VR6'n)

quote:[HR][/HR]i would go with euroTech if you live close, but if not go with AMS [HR][/HR]

If you want a nice sore a-hole when you're done...go with AMS. They'll make sure to ream you a new one with their OUTRAGEOUS prices!!
Otherwise, I'd look for a used Eurotech kit. That's what I did. They can be found!

alpine

· #10 · Feb 14, 2002

I know who makes the Eurotech chips

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vausVR6

· #11 · Feb 14, 2002

Re: Need more Supercharger info!!!! (XXX007XXX)

quote:[HR][/HR]eurotech software does not blow i had a eurotech kit on my car and it ran great. ran a 13.5 with the charger and exhaust only with interior and on street tire with the system in the back. i also have no diff. thank you ill be here all week[HR][/HR]

ok... considering that Eurotech software IS ams software... it does in fact blow. Also Les can't seem to be able to send out the correct chips anyway. Everyone I know with a Eurotech chip (including me), has a CEL because Les's OBDII chip looks for EVAP equipment on cars that don't have it to begin with! Still I do like my setup very much... lots of power. But then again, it IS basically the AMS kit with some upgrade options (V2 blower) and a little more boost with a much more reasonable price tag. That is why I chose it. Still, Les doesn't seem like he should be trusted. I thought the same thing (that stuff happened in the past, but he made it better now), but it hasn't ended! The last group buy shows that unless you physically have the kit in your hands, don't give Les your money.

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alteregovw

· #12 · Feb 14, 2002

Re: Need more Supercharger info!!!! (vausVR6)

Eurotech software is NOT the same as AMS and as far as the Eurotech kit putting out more psi...... I don't think so and I have never even heard of anyone saying or thinking that until now. Same SC pulley....

alteregovw

· #13 · Feb 14, 2002

Re: Need more Supercharger info!!!! (XXX007XXX)

I still have my stock ecu with stock chip in it because when I bought the charger kit I got another ecu with the AMS chip in it. So I can always hope that someone will come out with a chip to cure all the problems or at least be an upgrade for a little more boost.
My best was a 13.9 with my street 17" wheels/tires.... no exhaust except for a Eurosport muffler. I took the headlight out for a little fresh air.

tink856

Discussion Starter · #14 · Feb 14, 2002

Re: Need more Supercharger info!!!! (tink856)

Okay so what's the deal with software? I must go with EIP if i went with AMS or Eurotech? (keep in mind that I have DSR256 and VGI) I dont think I've seen any info on a chip for my setup and SC.... humm custom chip i guess?!?!
What would I need to get rid of the lean problem with these kits?
I could only use a By Pass Valve not Blow off Valve right?
And what's the "water injection"? how does it work?

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vausVR6

· #15 · Feb 14, 2002

Re: Need more Supercharger info!!!! (tink856)

quote:[HR][/HR]Okay so what's the deal with software? I must go with EIP if i went with AMS or Eurotech? (keep in mind that I have DSR256 and VGI) I dont think I've seen any info on a chip for my setup and SC.... humm custom chip i guess?!?!
What would I need to get rid of the lean problem with these kits?
I could only use a By Pass Valve not Blow off Valve right?
And what's the "water injection"? how does it work?

[HR][/HR]

most popular way of getting rid of the lean is getting an RRFPR like a cartech along with an inline fuel pump (although the inline pump is quit loud so u might want to upgrade your in-tank pump). Some guys are working on a different solution using larger injectors and a larger MAF housing (this needs an upgraded fuel pump as well). If you get an EIP chip, you WILL run lean unless you get an RRFPR. You can just get their stage II kit I believe.

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vausVR6

· #16 · Feb 14, 2002

Re: Need more Supercharger info!!!! (alteregovw)

quote:[HR][/HR]Eurotech software is NOT the same as AMS and as far as the Eurotech kit putting out more psi...... I don't think so and I have never even heard of anyone saying or thinking that until now. Same SC pulley....[HR][/HR]

Is it not true that the AMS kit puts out 8psi, while Eurotech does 8.5? As far as the software, if I am wrong about Les basically using the AMS chip, I am sorry, but it is obvious that he is not completely coding his own chip because he has yet to fix a problem that he admitted to being very simple himself (chip looks for EVAP equipment and throws a CEL). Other than the CEL I don't have too many problems with his chip, although the car does run lean at the top end, which I am in the process of fixing. This will happen with anything but the Z-kit because it doesn't push as much boost.

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vausVR6

· #17 · Feb 14, 2002

Re: Need more Supercharger info!!!! (vausVR6)

ok... sorry guys. I apologize for the comment about the different psi. I was confused because AMS says 8psi but they measure it at 6000RPM while Eurotech says 8.5 but measure higher up... at 6800 they both push 9.5psi. As far as Eurotech's chip being the same as the AMS... this is actually true. Can't reveal my sources, but let's just say that the two chips are identical bit for bit.

VR6'n

· #18 · Feb 17, 2002

Re: Need more Supercharger info!!!! (vausVR6)

they both put out 8.5psi

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