New H&R "Dune Buggy" Coilovers

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Gaucho

Discussion Starter · Feb 7, 2002

In European Car's highlights of SEMA they mentioned the H&R "Dune Buggy" Coilovers. You can raise or lower your car 1" from stock. I think this is a great idea especially for people living in the snow belt. What do you think & where can I get more information.

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Gaucho

Discussion Starter · #2 · Feb 7, 2002

Re: New H&R "Dune Buggy" Coilovers (Gaucho)

The article said it's available for MKIII & MKIV cars.

GTIVR6RACER4EVER

· #3 · Feb 7, 2002

Re: New H&R "Dune Buggy" Coilovers (Gaucho)

I dont get it.Why would you not just get normal coilovers?

briang

· #4 · Feb 8, 2002

Re: New H&R "Dune Buggy" Coilovers (GTIVR6RACER4EVER)

quote:[HR][/HR]I dont get it.Why would you not just get normal coilovers?[HR][/HR]

Simple; Those of us who live where it snows (piles of it!) need ground clearance in the winter and still want a sporting suspension...plus not everyone wants or needs a slammed car...If they only made them for my Audi 80 Quattro!!!!

GTIVR6RACER4EVER

· #5 · Feb 8, 2002

Re: New H&R "Dune Buggy" Coilovers (briang)

You can find other coilovers where you can raise it more then 1.5 over stock. I live above albany in troy, we get snow...I will have gti vr6 with cup kit, and 16" steels with blizzacks for winter, should be good enough. Peloquin will help

Golf_2K2L

· #6 · Feb 8, 2002

Re: New H&R "Dune Buggy" Coilovers (GTIVR6RACER4EVER)

The article also said by keeping it at stock height or lower 1" you maintain the factory suspension geometry. Sounds like the "Shine" setup.

Daemon42

· #7 · Feb 8, 2002

Re: New H&R "Dune Buggy" Coilovers (Golf_2K2L)

quote:[HR][/HR]The article also said by keeping it at stock height or lower 1" you maintain the factory suspension geometry. Sounds like the "Shine" setup.
[HR][/HR]

That it does, and Shine needs no quotes. It's not a phrase, it's a company name. Shine "Lite" requires quotes
because it's a term Uwe coined some years ago as opposed to the full Shine suspention or Shine "Heavy".
As for the question above, why not use normal coilovers? Because normal coilovers start at 1-1.5 inches
of drop or so and go down from there. You can't raise them up to stock height. My Shine "Lite" setup
drops the car by about an inch, and I have noticed the decreased snow clearance a few times. Any lower
and it could be a real problem.
ian

Gaucho

Discussion Starter · #8 · Feb 25, 2002

Re: New H&R "Dune Buggy" Coilovers (briang)

There's an article in the April 2002 issue of European Car on these new H&R coilovers. The author of the article was very impressed. He said "the change in my GLX's personality is huge. Granted the ride is stiffer but once you get into the twisty bits the difference is night & day. Body roll is greatly reduced, the understeer is gone and the car's balance is very neutral."
The author didn't want to lower his ride too much since he lives in NY (front lowered 3/4" back lowered 1/2"). NY has potholes and winter to deal with. These coilovers might also be called the H&R Plus one/Minus one.

igneousGOlF

· #9 · Feb 25, 2002

Re: New H&R "Dune Buggy" Coilovers (Gaucho)

how are these for rally?

Gaucho

Discussion Starter · #10 · Feb 25, 2002

Re: New H&R "Dune Buggy" Coilovers (igneousGOlF)

The European Car article says "the SCCA reports the number of Performance Rally licence holders has doubled in the last 24 months. With the booming popularity of rallying, this is a suspension whose time has come."

GetSmurfed

· #11 · Feb 26, 2002

Re: New H&R "Dune Buggy" Coilovers (Gaucho)

these sound awesome, regular drive(dropped) or High rise

Golf_2K2L

· #12 · Feb 26, 2002

Re: New H&R "Dune Buggy" Coilovers (GetSmurfed)

When winter comes raise to stock height then in the spring lower 1". Even at stock height these coilovers will perform alot better than stock.

GTIVR6RACER4EVER

· #13 · Feb 26, 2002

Re: New H&R "Dune Buggy" Coilovers (Golf_2K2L)

Has anyone tried them? Dont go making assumptions until you try them. They robably have similar to stock spring rates, and are they all golf (gti, 2.0, vr6, etc). a one inch drop is not much, and if the springs are not stiff enough could easily bottom out...lots of concerns for coilovers like these, similar to the cheezey dork coilovers some company offer for vw;s...

DgenR8

· #14 · Feb 26, 2002

Re: New H&R "Dune Buggy" Coilovers (GTIVR6RACER4EVER)

I have been researching a bit lately on rally suspensions. From what I have read, a good coil-over setup like the H&R is fine if you want to take your daily driver to the rallyX. I have not heard anyone involved in the sport recommend something like the H&R kit. You will end up spending a lot more $ with a race suspension rather than a rally-spec one. The "Dune Buggy" name does not mean that they are off-road shocks. I'm not positive on this, but rally stuff is usually quite a bit beefier.
I have learned that for a reliable setup, you have to bite the bullet and pay a bit more. I am 95% sure that I will be buying a Bilstein Rally setup soon. This is the cheapest rally-proven suspension I have found and the guy is asking $1700. But these will run multiple seasons of rally.
Many people on SpecialStage.com say that they would buy DMS 50mm if they had to do it all over again. That is a $2300+ setup.

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Gaucho

Discussion Starter · #15 · Feb 26, 2002

Re: New H&R "Dune Buggy" Coilovers (DgenR8)

The article is in the April issue of European Car (page 130). It says "H&R’s "Dune Buggy" or Plus one/Minus one is the answer for those of us who want the performance of a coilover suspension without the radical ride-height drop. The "Dune Buggy" suspension also maintains the stock travel, something those radical lowering suspensions give up. In fact, the effective travel actually increases over stock. The performance comes from careful tuning. A high spring rate contributes to cornering performance and is balanced by the shock’s valving. A softer compression valving gives a better ride as the spring soaks up the bumps, while more aggressive rebound valving helps control the car’s attitude through a corner. H&R has spent a great deal of time tuning its suspension for each application, but if you feel the need to experiment, alternate spring rates are available.
I have the KW Variant I’s which I really enjoy. I installed them with the least amount of drop (35mm). I just think it would be nice to able to raise my ride for the winter (Canada). I’m sure people in Buffalo could relate.
As I said these coilovers are new. I can’t find them on the H&R website. I’m sure they’ll be very popular once they start selling

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KEITH

· #16 · Feb 26, 2002

Re: New H&R "Dune Buggy" Coilovers (GTIVR6RACER4EVER)

quote:[HR][/HR]Has anyone tried them? Dont go making assumptions until you try them. They robably have similar to stock spring rates, and are they all golf (gti, 2.0, vr6, etc). a one inch drop is not much, and if the springs are not stiff enough could easily bottom out...lots of concerns for coilovers like these, similar to the cheezey dork coilovers some company offer for vw;s...[HR][/HR]

H&R coilovers are not "cheezey dork" coilovers. If this kit is anything like H&R's regular coilover kit or ultra low kit, these will be top notch.

GTIVR6RACER4EVER

· #17 · Feb 26, 2002

Re: New H&R "Dune Buggy" Coilovers (KEITH)

Did you read what I posted by any chance, or just pressed qoute, just curious. B/c I said like other cheezy companies. I have H&R suspension, CUP kit installed in 2 weeks anyways, and I have been in and have had in other cars H&R, and I know they are one of the best, but i am saying it will not be like those other companies that make cheap coilovers thaqt dont compare to H&R, sorry for the confusion, just trying to see the specs on these"dune buggy" coilovers. But he fact is if it lowers it an inch, it will not be at its maximum handling height. I think its 1.75 or so that it meets up even with the roll center, and it would need a spring rate to go for many needs. So I guess you would 2 sets of springs for it fi you decide to track it. They look promising though, great idea, and should provide a good alternate choice.

spaceman_spiff

· #18 · Mar 5, 2002

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Re: New H&R "Dune Buggy" Coilovers (GTIVR6RACER4EVER)

yeah, i was going to get you on your comment, too... lol. i thought you were knocking on h&r's

as soon as i can afford these, i'm all over them. they've been on the h&r website for a couple months, but they never did any press for them. (they need to fix their site to have a little more product-specific info, not just a splash page saying how coilovers work...) if you go to the coilover selection page where it's all in chart format, you'll see them in the stage 4 area, i believe, and they're the last kit listed. look at the drop rates, and you'll see the +.75- -1" spec on them. i'm hitting the bookstore after work to get the newest issue of european car... is it a pretty cool article?
i'm just glad they're h&r's -i'll have no problem trying them without tons of recommendations. their reputation preceeds them. http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif

[Modified by spaceman_spiff, 9:29 PM 3-5-2002]

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GTIVR6RACER4EVER

· #19 · Mar 5, 2002

Re: New H&R "Dune Buggy" Coilovers (spaceman_spiff)

Yea i have H&R cup kit, why would I knock H&R?

Anyway, whoever gets it let everyone know how it handles, and if you can sitffer springs for them. peace

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