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as the owner of a full blue interior s2000...that blue interior is just right. i'm sooooo over cars being boring inside, you don't need crazy design elements, you just need complimenting colors!
 

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Yeah, I really like it, and if the pricing holds, they nailed that too, coming in squarely between the GR86/BRZ and the 2.0 Supra.
IMO the GR86 and this render the 2.0 Supra irrelevant. The B48 is great in crossovers and lease special 3ers but its character is no good for a sports car. Would not be surprised if Toyota canned it.

IDK which of the two I'd pick honestly. The Z's extra HP doesn't really matter to me. From that POV the GR86 seems like the better choice. But as a Nissan/FM apologist I'm glad the 400Z is coming, if for no other reason than to shut all the haters up :LOL:
 

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Is that really orange-orange or just a light saddle color (like a baseball glove)? Mazda offered a similar color in some of their special edition Miatas.
Not special editions. Standard on GT trim-level from 2006-2008. Commonly referred to as "Basketball."

The first couple of years had that color on the seats, console, lower dash, lower door panels, door inserts. 2008 had it just on the seats and door panel inserts.
 

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I think car "enthusiasts" just love jumping on the Nissan bashing bandwagon. First of all you can still walk into a Nissan dealership and buy a brand new Z or GT-R. Most of Nissan's competitors barely have 1 performance car, let alone 2. Second of all Nissan is a full range brand. Not even Mazda has a full range of exciting, tantalizing cars. And within the next few years most of their lineup will be pretty new, which again cannot be said of many of its competitors TCL gives passes to.

It's like people don't even think their opinions through and just regurgitate whatever they think the hivemind wants to hear. Nissan is turning things around and deserves some credit.
Agree with everything you say, although I think comparing to Mazda is a bit disingenuous. They aren't a fraction the company that Nissan is.

its because nissan is the chrysler of japan.

i said what i said.
Chrysler is a bit of a stretch. I would equate them more to GM: They make everything you need, most of it is boring, a few performance options with one "halo" brand included, decent vehicles otherwise.

Japanese Chrysler would be more like Mitsubishi or (at a long stretch) Subaru: Not as dependable as the rest of the region and very few models on offer.
 

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Nissan is still in the process of getting their S together. But I'd very much like to see an Ariya and a Z in my future driveway. That's a hell of a combo to take on the world.
 

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The styling on this is absolutely legendary. Nissan knows they have a winner. I'm sure it will drive great because of that. I would imagine a lot of the groundwork laid by the GTR engineering went into this as well.
 

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Discussion Starter #473

Auto insider Carmaker1 also said "400Z" was just made up by the media.

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Well, considering that the final design was set about 31 months ago, it's not shocking in the least it "stayed true to the concept".
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Wasn't really a concept honestly, because everything was locked in 2 years ago and the showcase of "Z Proto" was to give an early reveal, after such a long wait (12 years). Once it's locked in, you can't make any more changes to the sheetmetal (at least until a mid-cycle update).

This ended up costing a quarter of a billion dollars, versus 4x to 8x that amount, to support an all-new RWD modular unibody architecture, which was an absolute non-starter where Infiniti was concerned. Ghosn approved this car as chairman (not CEO), before his arrest some 10 weeks later. RWD ICE Infiniti is just not likely going forward, so this being all-new wasn't going to work by itself.

It would be $100k to be an all-new car, an all new architecture. As January 2018, a new Z was cancelled.

Some of us (myself and 2 others) had mentioned back in the spring of 2018 that a fully 100% new car was dead and then by summer, it would be "heavily facelifted" on the same basis instead for MY 2021 (got delayed after September 2018) at a few hundred million. This is it pretty much, as anything after this is not ICE, just like the 2029 Mustang.

I didn't say much in terms of my annoyance towards and skepticism over "400Z" the last 3 years, but I don't know where the British media got "400Z" and why the rest of the idiotically obtuse media and social media hoes decided to automatically jump on that bandwagon, without verifying it to be credible. One or two places had the audacity to even claim, "400Z" had been trademarked by Nissan. Their proof was a "Z" insignia/logo and nothing else. They pretty much lied.

Knowing Nissan very well due to former business and also the patenting/trademarking process, that absolutely isn't how it works LOL. I checked globally and in comparing some in progress patents of mine (association w/employment, not sole inventor) to existing trademark filings, there's no existence of "400Z" in any trademark database nor internally has that ever been referred to. Seeing this car in 2019 (not yet in metal), it wasn't called that either back then. Regarding the VR30DETT 3.0L TT V6 for Infiniti, it presented a problem back in 2012. In 2011 or 2012, Nissan had filed several trademarks for 2014 G range. In addition to the trademarks "G37" and "G25" first filed in the mid-2000s (circa 2009 for "G25"), new trademarks of "G22d", "G30t", and "G35h" were filed in 2011-12 for the current car.

When Johan de Nysschen became head of Infiniti, months later by the fall of 2012, he quietly ordered a whole redo of the brand nomenclature to Q/QX to accommodate a perceived "downgrade" by ignorant consumers with G30t or M30t (3.0L TTV6) vs G37 & M37 (VQ37) or M56 (5.6L VK56 V8). Plus, reorganize it to something that resembled his time at Audi (A, S, R/RS, and Q).

Infiniti Renaming was announced in mid-December 2012, 3 weeks before the 2014 Q50 was unveiled and several months before 2014 models went on sale. Q50 was designed as the 3rd generation G37 from the onset and never was a Q50 during development.

When it came to Z, it was a similar story with 370Z vs 300Z, so dropping the displacement nomenclature makes sense. As you already know, trademarks have to be secured well before production starts. No 400Z trademarks exist, yet I seeing and hearing how a lot of YouTubers, are calling it "400Z" just for extra clicks and to drive traffic to them.

i-Force Max in example was filed well in advance of Tundra hybrid launch in early 2022. Same applies to most Nissan vehicles and pretty much most companies. Once you start formalizing a vehicle development program, after setting a final design, package plan, and defined set of parameters, marketing and management determine nomenclature/nameplate and file trademarks via their legal team some 2 to 2.5 years ahead. At latest, it's 1 year before launch (see IS 500). What I have seen here, is them take liberty with their reporting and behave lazily.

A lot of car news sites often take everything out of context or create their own muddled narratives, which the next person takes to be (wrongfully) accurate. There are days I just want to turn my brain off and when I read obviously misleading stuff, I become annoyed, because that neuro-vacation ends almost immediately and I have to start second guessing what I read and do their homework.

They need to separate opinion pieces from simply reporting the facts on what's here now and what's coming down the road. This whole attempting to be a cut-rate Jay Leno or Jeremy Clarkson, gets tiring when many of them use that to report info and often get it wrong LOL.

If I wasn't such a busy person nowadays and invested in my professional work (and personal life), I would start a media company and encyclopedia that is all about informativeness and dead on accuracy regarding automobiles, not always being first. Between Wikipedia, YouTubers/social media, and questionable news reporting, it's a cluster**** of proportions and the rest of us have to play cleanup with their mistakes (ranging from minor to glaring).
 

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In this era of smartphones in every pocket they couldn't take a better picture?
I think they were just trying to show us that Nissan once again managed to ruin any semblance of usability by retaining the rear chassis brace directly across the area where most people want to put cargo. I like this car on paper, but it is going to be far too expensive to be a second car for me. It’s too impractical to be my only car.
 

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Isn't @tejlab the dude who complained about the 86's door handles? Ignore his complaints
 
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