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New Nissan Z Not Coming To Europe, Roadster And Hybrid Nismo Possible

Nissan also says the car uses the existing Z platform, but extensively modified.
The new Nissan Z sports car is still officially at a prototype stage and we don’t even know what it’s going to be called in production guise. Nevertheless, company officials are willing to disclose additional details beyond the preliminary technical specifications published with the Z Proto’s unveiling yesterday. Let’s start with the bad news – it’s not coming to Europe as per the following statement:

“A shrinking European sports cars market and specific regulations on emissions mean that Nissan was unable to build a viable business case for the introduction of the production version of the next generation Z-car in Europe.”

For the markets where Nissan intends to sell the 370Z successor, buyers will be given the possibility to opt for an automatic transmission should they not want to row their own gears. Z Proto, Nissan Z, GT-R, and Nismo product specialist Hiroshi Tamura told Australian journalists there will be a two-pedal version of the new Z while adding “some appropriate performance [version]” is in the offing. He was likely referring to a hot Nismo derivative, but it’s not known whether it will be available at launch or later during the lifecycle.

Interestingly, Tamura admitted Nissan considered making the Z Proto electric before deciding to go with the V6 engine. Further down the line, an electrified Nismo version could arrive, should the customer feedback dictate it: “At the beginning, we have to think deeply about many solutions that come from customer's voice. Then after that, if customers strongly request some kind of hybrid system we have to do that.”

He went on to mention a roadster has not been green-lighted for production just yet – “it is still up for debate.” Hiroshi Tamura did say sporty convertibles such as the 300ZX and 370Z represent what the “Z” is all about, thus hinting a droptop 400Z (or whatever it will be called) could be in the works. Discussions are also ongoing regarding the platform it will use, but Tamura strongly hinted the next Z won’t be an all-new car:

"We don’t have many platforms. The Z platform is already existing, but we have to modify the existing platform. Power and torque is quite different, so the platform is modified. It is not carry-over. Many things were changed or modified. Even if it looks the same it was changed. The door is completely different, trunk, fender, bumper, wheel, headlight, taillight – everything is different. The stance is the same, that’s why it may look unchanged.”

Nissan still isn’t saying when the 400Z will hit the market, only mentioning “it’s not so far but not so early. If I can give you the other extra hint you have to check about GT-R Proto.” Tamura was talking about a near-production prototype unveiled in 2005 to preview what was to become the R35 GT-R unveiled at the 2007 Tokyo Motor Show. Does that mean we’ll have to wait roughly two years for the production-ready Z? Hopefully not.

When it does eventually arrive, the revived performance coupe will be slightly longer, wider, and lower than the 370Z. At its heart will be a twin-turbo 3.0-liter V6 sending power to the rear wheels. How much power? Nissan only says the new Z will pack some extra punch over the 332 hp and 270 lb-ft (366 Nm) offered by the naturally aspirated 3.7-liter V6 installed in the outgoing model. The turbo-six makes up to 400 hp and 350 lb-ft (475 Nm) of torque in the Infiniti Q60 Red Sport 400, so the bump in output is shaping up to be significant.

The car has been in development since March 2017 and Nissan admits it still hasn’t decided the name it will use. With more than 1.8 million Z cars sold since the original model launched back in 1969, it's safe to say the new sports car has some big shoes to fill.
https://www.motor1.com/news/444233/nissan-400z-not-coming-europe/
 

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The whole internet seems to be calling this a 350/370 refresh, and I sincerely want what those guys are smoking cause I don't see that at all. This is a much more elongated design and this doesn't have that super-wide beefy look in the back like the 350/370 do. This is a much bigger homage to old Japanese sports car, which is a HUGE deal IMO. Not that I don't like the 350/370, but this is much more attractive to someone like me who loves some Japanese sports car nostalgia (and owns an 86 RX-7).
They call it a refresh because it is. Look at the underlying architecture, as that is what is carried over. It's an extensive refresh, but as noted above the door latches, hard points of the dash and ventilation system are the giveaways here. I'd bet a dollar that the windshield bottom corners haven't moved at all, but it's possible the upper fender has been raised, lowered and/or elongated to get the look they were going for. It think it's a stellar job keeping it on target but using the limitations of some of the old underlying architecture.
 

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Lots of bits being picked.

One thing to consider: I think it’s a lot better looking than the Supra, but I also expect it to undercut the (I6) Supra by a pretty fair margin. Figure +/- $40k for the Z, versus $50-60k for Supra? $10-20k forgives a ton of flaws.
It does. And it will make or break the car for sure.
They call it a refresh because it is. Look at the underlying architecture, as that is what is carried over. It's an extensive refresh, but as noted above the door latches, hard points of the dash and ventilation system are the giveaways here. I'd bet a dollar that the windshield bottom corners haven't moved at all, but it's possible the upper fender has been raised, lowered and/or elongated to get the look they were going for. It think it's a stellar job keeping it on target but using the limitations of some of the old underlying architecture.
I'm talking more visually. Obviously the car shares existing architecture, but it looks very different IMO and will finally have a competitive powertrain again.
 

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So their vision of the future is a car that essentially dates from 2002...with screens. To put this in perspective let's flash forward to the year 2027: A guy driving a 2002 350Z with Historical Vehicle license plates pulls into a Nissan dealership because the air vent on his door is broken. The owner is on a time crunch and there are no parts in stock so a quick thinking service advisor plucks a vent out of a new Z sitting in the back and the thing fits perfectly in the 25 year old classic car because it's the same damn part. I know plenty of cars with similarly long runs but to see it now in the 2020's, especially on a car that's supposed to represent a new chapter for a company, it's kinda funny.
 

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I do really wonder how much tuning potential is hidden in this car.

The Z-platform has always been known as a car with a lot of modding availability, so I wonder how this car will stack up.

How long before the #Stancelyfe will hit this car? few years maybe?

Would be great to see some Blade Runner inspired schtuff to be done to this platform
 

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Confirming speculation about the 400Z underpinnings, project chief explains what’s underneath.

https://www.400zclub.com/forum/thre...project-chief-explains-what’s-underneath.107/



Nissan has taken the covers off the Z Proto, a car that forecasts the successor to the 370Z. But as the covers were peeled back, there was no official reference to what underpins it.

In an interview with Australian media, Hiroshi Tamura, product specialist for the development of the Nissan GT-R and Nismo products, gave significant clues about the underpinnings.

Although stopping short of confirming full details of the next Z-car – expected to be called the 400Z – Tamura unveiled some key information.

While hesitant to talk about the eventual production version, Tamura focussed mainly on the Z Proto itself.

When quizzed about the platform that underpins the twin-turbo V6 prototype, Tamura suggested a “platform solution was still ongoing,” before elaborating further.

“We don’t have many platforms,” Tamura said, referring to Nissan’s global portfolio of products. “The Z platform is already existing, but we have to modify the existing platform.”

While Tamura didn’t expressly address which platform would underpin the next Z, given Nissan’s slim front engine, rear-wheel drive capable parts bin, there’s little chance of anything other than a version of the front-midship, or FM platform, being used.

That said, FM isn’t a static component set. As well as its use under the current 370Z, it also underpinned the 350Z which dates back to 2002.

Other Nissan and Infiniti vehicles with the same chassis hardware include the Infiniti Q50 sedan and Q60 coupe and their predecessors, the much larger Q70, the last Nissan Stagea wagon, and even the QX70 crossover.

Between them a variety of weights, powertrains, and ride heights go some to show what the chassis might be capable of.

Right now the naturally aspirated 245kW/363Nm 3.7-litre V6 engine in the 370Z is a long way off the most powerful application for the FM platform.

Nissan has confirmed the Z Proto is powered by a twin-turbo V6, but hasn’t released engine details. Given the Infiniti Q60 Red Sport (shown above) runs a 3.0-litre V6 rated to 298kW and 475Nm, it’s not hard to see how the current chassis might be adapted to cope.

“Power and torque is quite different, so the platform is modified,” Tamuara reassured. “It is not carry-over.”

As with the initial slow tease of Z Proto information, the 370Z’s replacement, whatever it might be called, is sure to receive a similarly long lead of product info.

Despite the production-ready looks of the Z Proto, some reports suggest a production version could arrive as late as 2023. With that long to wait you can be sure Nissan will have plenty of info to share between now and then to keep enthusiasts interested.
 

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To put this in perspective let's flash forward to the year 2027: A guy driving a 2002 350Z with Historical Vehicle license plates pulls into a Nissan dealership because the air vent on his door is broken. The owner is on a time crunch and there are no parts in stock so a quick thinking service advisor plucks a vent out of a new Z sitting in the back and the thing fits perfectly in the 25 year old classic car because it's the same damn part.
I want to know the dealerships that you go to.
 

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So their vision of the future is a car that essentially dates from 2002...with screens. To put this in perspective let's flash forward to the year 2027: A guy driving a 2002 350Z with Historical Vehicle license plates pulls into a Nissan dealership because the air vent on his door is broken. The owner is on a time crunch and there are no parts in stock so a quick thinking service advisor plucks a vent out of a new Z sitting in the back and the thing fits perfectly in the 25 year old classic car because it's the same damn part. I know plenty of cars with similarly long runs but to see it now in the 2020's, especially on a car that's supposed to represent a new chapter for a company, it's kinda funny.
I never understood this complaint about the age of the FM platform. Everyone and their mom is doing exactly what Nissan did damn near 20 years ago- making modular platforms that they can just continually update rather than have to scrap and redesign from scratch. CLAR, MRA, Giorgio- they will all still be here in 10, 15, 20 years. And BTW air vents are not part of a chassis' hard points................
 

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I'm talking more visually. Obviously the car shares existing architecture, but it looks very different IMO and will finally have a competitive powertrain again.
How it looks doesn't matter. It's a refresh of the chassis, and that is what everyone is talking about. :beer:

I never understood this complaint about the age of the FM platform. Everyone and their mom is doing exactly what Nissan did damn near 20 years ago- making modular platforms that they can just continually update rather than have to scrap and redesign from scratch. CLAR, MRA, Giorgio- they will all still be here in 10, 15, 20 years. And BTW air vents are not part of a chassis' hard points................
No, but it's part of what makes it an obvious refresh. Nissan is busted. I'm glad we're getting anything, and this looks great!
 

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They call it a refresh because it is. Look at the underlying architecture, as that is what is carried over. It's an extensive refresh, but as noted above the door latches, hard points of the dash and ventilation system are the giveaways here. I'd bet a dollar that the windshield bottom corners haven't moved at all, but it's possible the upper fender has been raised, lowered and/or elongated to get the look they were going for. It think it's a stellar job keeping it on target but using the limitations of some of the old underlying architecture.
According to Nissan "Power and torque is quite different, so the platform is modified. It is not carry-over. Many things were changed or modified. Even if it looks the same it was changed."
 

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Legit 'I have no idea because I haven't paid attention to Nissan/Infiniti for at least a decade now' question:

Do current Infiniti coupe/sedan share the the same platform as the 370Z? (I'm assuming the answer is yes, which suggests it's had some evolution since its introduction with the 350/370Z...)
The Q50/Q60 do, or at least a version of the FM platform. All of Infiniti's "good" cars have used that chassis (G, M, EX, FX and whatever the applicable Q/QX name might be). It doesn't do weight any favors (my stubby little QX50 is almost 2 tons), but hey, it's nicely balanced and makes for good proportions.
 

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They call it a refresh because it is. Look at the underlying architecture, as that is what is carried over. It's an extensive refresh, but as noted above the door latches, hard points of the dash and ventilation system are the giveaways here. I'd bet a dollar that the windshield bottom corners haven't moved at all, but it's possible the upper fender has been raised, lowered and/or elongated to get the look they were going for. It think it's a stellar job keeping it on target but using the limitations of some of the old underlying architecture.
So does that mean it is officially DOA for TCL, better to get a V8 pony car than this old & overweight pig of a Nissan? :p
 

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Legit 'I have no idea because I haven't paid attention to Nissan/Infiniti for at least a decade now' question:

Do current Infiniti coupe/sedan share the the same platform as the 370Z? (I'm assuming the answer is yes, which suggests it's had some evolution since its introduction with the 350/370Z...)
The Q50/60 have been updated but yea the underlying platform is the same. I had 370Z coilovers on my G37.
 

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I don't know why anyone cares how old the platform is as long as it's good. (And it is.) Sounds like they changed the important things needed to update it.
 

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370Z is about 6 inches shorter

Like I said if this thing gains a ton of weight I'm gonna be really disappointed.

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The way I interpreted their response during the Q & A live stream they said with all the new modern tech to not expect it to be lighter than current gen Z.
 
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