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I was just driving home during lunch "wallowing" through a corner in my Camry when the images of those stock cars bobbing and heaving themselves through corners at Watkins Glen and Sears Point (I think it's Infineon now, I forget) came to mind...
How do you think a stock Gallardo/Stradale/Ford GT would fare againt one of those brutes on one of those tracks?
 

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Re: Nextel [Winston] Cup stock car vs $150k - $200k "stock" sports car on a road course? (Mazda 3s)

First off, with the spring rates NASCAR cars run, not a one wallows on a road course

It'd really be a toss-up. Ford GT/Stradale have rearward weight bias and better polar moment for maneuvering, but NASCAR cars likely have more downforce, can change weight distribution (cars are built light, then ballasted to spec), a couple hundred more horsepower, etc.
 

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Re: Nextel [Winston] Cup stock car vs $150k - $200k "stock" ... (Apollo-Soyuz 1975)

I'm going to have to go with a Cup stock car on this one. It may not seem like it, but when they tune and race the road coarses those things can really handle well, not to mention the large horsepower, aerodynamic (downforce), and weight advantage. I'm sure the super cars might be able to keep up if not win, but I'd still keep my money on a race car that is tuned for its enviornment anyday.
 

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Re: Nextel [Winston] Cup stock car vs $150k - $200k "stock" sports car on a road course? (Mazda 3s)

guess what?
last night David Murry called me up and we talked for about an hour. i am interviewing him for the Porsche Club newsletter. He told me a lot of stuff about driving a NASCAR Nextel Cup car on road courses, versus speedways.
do you have a specific question as to the driver ability, or is it more of? we were talking about this sort of stuff for a while.
how would a Gallardo do against a Nextel Cup car? probably pretty good on a road course because they are designed for handling, braking, etc. the other question is "how would the Gallardo/Stradale/Ford GT do on a high speed oval?"
probably pretty bad. you're comparing apples to oranges here. Nextel Cup cars are designed for a different use than dedicated sports cars. they are about 1,000lbs heavier, and have suspensions, brakes, and awerodynamics designed for sustaining high speeds. the opposite goes for the sports cars. they don't have the aerodynamics, tires, or suspensions for sustaining 195mph for 3 hours.
hope that helped.
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Re: Nextel [Winston] Cup stock car vs $150k - $200k "stock" sports car on a road course? (Mazda 3s)

NASCAR Nextel Cup cars driven by their regular drivers can lap the 'Glen in about 1:10-1:15. That's the 2.45-mile short course. Amongst race cars, that's really not very fast.
 

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Re: Nextel [Winston] Cup stock car vs $150k - $200k "stock" spor ... (Obin Robinson)

I don't agree Obin. It is a perfectly good question and an interesting one.
Sports car fans constantly bag on NASCAR for being old-tech, blah blah blah. If they were faster, it would be interesting.
How would a Sears Point-prepped NASCAR racer compare to a Gallardo on the road course (ie, the bread-and-butter test performance measure for sports cars)?
I'm curious.
 

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Re: Nextel [Winston] Cup stock car vs $150k - $200k "stock" spor ... (Jordan 191)

I suppose lap times would probably solve all of this, but it seems that very few sports cars post lap times for the tracks that the cup cars drive. *shrug* Well I suppose I'm just going to have to go talk DEI into letting me borrow one of those little red numbers and i'm sure one of you guys could grab the keys to a new lambo or ferrari offering and we shall have to test it out ourselves
 

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Re: Nextel [Winston] Cup stock car vs $150k - $200k "stock" sports car on a road course? (Mazda 3s)

we also have to take into consideration that the NASCARs that race on the road course are designed and set up for road courses. there not the oval track cars.
 

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Re: Nextel [Winston] Cup stock car vs $150k - $200k "stock" sports car on a road course? (roccostud)

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we also have to take into consideration that the NASCARs that race on the road course are designed and set up for road courses. there not the oval track cars.

not necessarily. they are set up for road courses, but they're not necessarily different cars than the speedway cars.
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Re: Nextel [Winston] Cup stock car vs $150k - $200k "stock" sports car on a road course? (AKADriver)

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NASCAR Nextel Cup cars driven by their regular drivers can lap the 'Glen in about 1:10-1:15. That's the 2.45-mile short course. Amongst race cars, that's really not very fast.

I wanna see them on the long course!!!
 

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Re: Nextel [Winston] Cup stock car vs $150k - $200k "stock" sports car on a road course? (rx7racr)

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I wanna see them on the long course!!!

they actaully do test it and run it. but it's a long story why they don't run it during a Nextel weekend. it's more of a logistics issue than anything with the race cars. i've seen dozens of Stock cars run the long course (not during a NASCAR race, but during other events) and they do it just fine.
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Re: Nextel [Winston] Cup stock car vs $150k - $200k "stock" spor ... (Obin Robinson)

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not necessarily. they are set up for road courses, but they're not necessarily different cars than the speedway cars.
obin

if they race the road courses they are open to comparison. obviously they were "bred" for different things but people compare gti 1/4 miles with camero 1/4 miles all the time.
 

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Re: Nextel [Winston] Cup stock car vs $150k - $200k "stock" spor ... (Obin Robinson)

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they actaully do test it and run it. but it's a long story why they don't run it during a Nextel weekend. it's more of a logistics issue than anything with the race cars.
Safety crews? Crowds? I'm curious.
(BTW, don't some of those guys do a fair bit of testing at VIR?
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Re: Nextel [Winston] Cup stock car vs $150k - $200k "stock" spor ... (Obin Robinson)

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they actaully do test it and run it. i've seen dozens of Stock cars run the long course (not during a NASCAR race, but during other events) and they do it just fine.
obin

hmmm.. I'll bet they love "The Toe"....
 

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Re: Nextel [Winston] Cup stock car vs $150k - $200k "stock" spor ... (Obin Robinson)

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not necessarily. they are set up for road courses, but they're not necessarily different cars than the speedway cars.
obin

Really? I was on an IndyCar team in 1999 and we hung out at Hendrick Motorsports' garage in Charlotte over an afternoon. I saw at least nine #24 cars all laid out nice 'n neat. Each was specialised for whatever course upon which it would run. The road course cars had different aero openings on the front, different brakes, suspension...even a little different in the interior!
That being said, I still can't stand NASCAR.
 

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Re: Nextel [Winston] Cup stock car vs $150k - $200k "stock" spor ... (Apollo-Soyuz 1975)

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Safety crews? Crowds? I'm curious.
(BTW, don't some of those guys do a fair bit of testing at VIR?
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sewage, garbage collection, camping, and the physical terrain itself (the "bog). the issue has nothing to do with the race cars and mostly to do with the increased crowds and security you'd need. you add a mile of track, but you add several more miles more space that you need the local Sheriff's dept to be patrolling. if you've ever been to the Glen for a NASCAR weekend, it's already a madhouse. adding another mile of track would be a logistics nightmare.
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Re: Nextel [Winston] Cup stock car vs $150k - $200k "stock" spor ... (soeurotrash)

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Really? I was on an IndyCar team in 1999 and we hung out at Hendrick Motorsports' garage in Charlotte over an afternoon. I saw at least nine #24 cars all laid out nice 'n neat. Each was specialised for whatever course upon which it would run.

Hendrick has the bucks to do it, but not all 43 teams starting the race have that kind of cash. remember when Steve Park won? he won using a "show car" that was the kind of vehicle you park out in front of a Wal Mart and have fans get autographs next to it.
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Re: Nextel [Winston] Cup stock car vs $150k - $200k "stock" sports car on a road course? (Mazda 3s)

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.....How do you think a stock Gallardo/Stradale/Ford GT would fare againt one of those brutes on one of those tracks?

Over a couple of laps, I would think the regular cars would be a fair match for the Nascar cars. Over the course of a race distance, Nascar cars hands down. I dont think the regular cars would be able for the abuse to the brakes/cooling system etc.
 

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Re: Nextel [Winston] Cup stock car vs $150k - $200k "stock" spor ... (Obin Robinson)

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guess what?

probably pretty bad. you're comparing apples to oranges here. Nextel Cup cars are designed for a different use than dedicated sports cars. they are about 1,000lbs heavier, and have suspensions, brakes, and awerodynamics designed for sustaining high speeds. the opposite goes for the sports cars. they don't have the aerodynamics, tires, or suspensions for sustaining 195mph for 3 hours.
obin

The Cup cars run at road courses are specifically built for a road course, they are not the same cars run on the ovals. Some of the smaller teams may bring a short track (AKA: Downforce car. Note not a car built for sustained 195 MPH) car as a backup.
I think Jack Roush knows how to build road course cars and the technology and design skills he brought to Cup helped close the gap between those drivers who can run road courses and those who specialize in agricultural racing.
The Cup car is a minimum of 3400 lbs, hardly 1000 more than a stock sports car. Weight in a Cup car is distributed to provide the optimum balance on a road course. Cup car shows up on race day with 200 to 250 more HP than a Lambo or whatever.
The weakest part of the Cup car is its brakes. Too small and poor at heat disipation.
 

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Re: Nextel [Winston] Cup stock car vs $150k - $200k "stock" spor ... (soeurotrash)

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Really? I was on an IndyCar team in 1999 and we hung out at Hendrick Motorsports' garage in Charlotte over an afternoon. I saw at least nine #24 cars all laid out nice 'n neat. Each was specialised for whatever course upon which it would run. The road course cars had different aero openings on the front, different brakes, suspension...even a little different in the interior!
That being said, I still can't stand NASCAR.

hahah....they do have many cars for many types of tracks. yes thre all the same car in reality but they don't take there daytona car to Sears Point or whatnot. like soeurotrash said...different cars for different tracks.
 
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