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Bloomberg: Arms Website Selling Guns Illegally


Thousands of guns could be sold illegally by unlicensed firearms dealers on just one classified ad website, according to an investigation commissioned by New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg.

Bloomberg, one of the nation's leading gun-control advocates and a co-founder of Mayors Against Illegal Guns, asked his investigators to spend eight weeks monitoring the ads on Armslist.com. The classified marketplace, known as a "Craigslist for guns," is one of the nation's largest firearms websites.

The inquiry found that nearly one-third of gun ads on the site were posted by high-volume sellers who do not possess the mandatory federal firearms license. At that pace, nearly 244,000 guns would be sold illegally a year due to the "private sale loophole," which does not require a background check, Bloomberg said Thursday.

"Unlicensed sellers of firearms are flooding the Internet with weapons," Bloomberg said at City Hall news conference. "The result is a massive online, largely unregulated, secondhand firearms market that threatens the safety of all of us."

A representative from ArmsList.com did not immediately return a request for comment.

The inquiry was a follow-up to one the gun-control group did earlier this year in which investigators secretly conducted background checks of would-be buyers and found that many of them had felony records that, by law, prohibit them from buying firearms.

Bloomberg noted that he was announcing the probe's results just days before the anniversary of the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., which killed 20 students and six adults.

Bloomberg is leaving office at month's end, but he vowed that he will continue to stay involved — and fund — the pro-gun control organization.

"We will keep fighting," he said. "Maybe we'll keep fighting even harder, we'll have a little more time to focus on this."

Mayor-elect Bill de Blasio has signaled his approval of Bloomberg's gun-control efforts but has not said what role he might play in the mayors' group.



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Bloomberg: Arms Website Selling Guns Illegally


Thousands of guns could be sold illegally by unlicensed firearms dealers on just one classified ad website, according to an investigation commissioned by New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg.

Bloomberg, one of the nation's leading gun-control advocates and a co-founder of Mayors Against Illegal Guns, asked his investigators to spend eight weeks monitoring the ads on Armslist.com. The classified marketplace, known as a "Craigslist for guns," is one of the nation's largest firearms websites.

The inquiry found that nearly one-third of gun ads on the site were posted by high-volume sellers who do not possess the mandatory federal firearms license. At that pace, nearly 244,000 guns would be sold illegally a year due to the "private sale loophole," which does not require a background check, Bloomberg said Thursday.

"Unlicensed sellers of firearms are flooding the Internet with weapons," Bloomberg said at City Hall news conference. "The result is a massive online, largely unregulated, secondhand firearms market that threatens the safety of all of us."

A representative from ArmsList.com did not immediately return a request for comment.

The inquiry was a follow-up to one the gun-control group did earlier this year in which investigators secretly conducted background checks of would-be buyers and found that many of them had felony records that, by law, prohibit them from buying firearms.

Bloomberg noted that he was announcing the probe's results just days before the anniversary of the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., which killed 20 students and six adults.

Bloomberg is leaving office at month's end, but he vowed that he will continue to stay involved — and fund — the pro-gun control organization.

"We will keep fighting," he said. "Maybe we'll keep fighting even harder, we'll have a little more time to focus on this."

Mayor-elect Bill de Blasio has signaled his approval of Bloomberg's gun-control efforts but has not said what role he might play in the mayors' group.



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ArmsList isn't doing any selling. You can't "flood" the Internet. Private party sales aren't illegal, just selling to a known felon/prohibited person is. "Threatens the safety of us all." What hogwash. I wish I could attend some of these speeches. I would be polite at first. When the stupidity hits, then I'd be less than polite.
 

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Bloomberg: Arms Website Selling Guns Illegally


Thousands of guns could be sold illegally by unlicensed firearms dealers on just one classified ad website, according to an investigation commissioned by New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg.

Bloomberg, one of the nation's leading gun-control advocates and a co-founder of Mayors Against Illegal Guns, asked his investigators to spend eight weeks monitoring the ads on Armslist.com. The classified marketplace, known as a "Craigslist for guns," is one of the nation's largest firearms websites.

The inquiry found that nearly one-third of gun ads on the site were posted by high-volume sellers who do not possess the mandatory federal firearms license. At that pace, nearly 244,000 guns would be sold illegally a year due to the "private sale loophole," which does not require a background check, Bloomberg said Thursday.

"Unlicensed sellers of firearms are flooding the Internet with weapons," Bloomberg said at City Hall news conference. "The result is a massive online, largely unregulated, secondhand firearms market that threatens the safety of all of us."

A representative from ArmsList.com did not immediately return a request for comment.

The inquiry was a follow-up to one the gun-control group did earlier this year in which investigators secretly conducted background checks of would-be buyers and found that many of them had felony records that, by law, prohibit them from buying firearms.

Bloomberg noted that he was announcing the probe's results just days before the anniversary of the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., which killed 20 students and six adults.

Bloomberg is leaving office at month's end, but he vowed that he will continue to stay involved — and fund — the pro-gun control organization.

"We will keep fighting," he said. "Maybe we'll keep fighting even harder, we'll have a little more time to focus on this."

Mayor-elect Bill de Blasio has signaled his approval of Bloomberg's gun-control efforts but has not said what role he might play in the mayors' group.



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Unfortunately the mass of idiots he sells this nonsense too are likewise...therein lies the crux of the problem. Bloomberg and his ilk don't have to convince intelligent people who are capable of genuine critical thinking. They simply have to convince the similarly idiotic masses that "X is a threat!". We're dealing with politicians who agreed to send U.S. soldiers to another country based on a viral facebook campaign...that level of "cool points" activism is dangerous at the best of times. If common sense was a bit more common, we wouldn't have this problem. Instead they know they simply have to shovel misinformation into the lowest common denominator and the masses will eat it up. We live in a new world where we don't fear what we should, and fear the things we shouldn't. That is what I'd consider a recipe for disaster.
 

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Unfortunately the mass of idiots he sells this nonsense too are likewise...therein lies the crux of the problem. Bloomberg and his ilk don't have to convince intelligent people who are capable of genuine critical thinking. They simply have to convince the similarly idiotic masses that "X is a threat!". We're dealing with politicians who agreed to send U.S. soldiers to another country based on a viral facebook campaign...that level of "cool points" activism is dangerous at the best of times. If common sense was a bit more common, we wouldn't have this problem. Instead they know they simply have to shovel misinformation into the lowest common denominator and the masses will eat it up. We live in a new world where we don't fear what we should, and fear the things we shouldn't. That is what I'd consider a recipe for disaster.
Yup. Idiots just keep getting better. Which is not the way to go (see sig). The people in power, no matter what time period, have always used fear as motivation; it's the greatest motivator. And it's also the path to the dark side.
 

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Just got this email from AIM

Dear Valued New York Customers,

In order to comply with the New York State SAFE Act (Effective January 15th) regulating the sale of ammunition, we must enact the following policy:

After Monday, January 6th, we will ship ammunition orders only to FFL Dealers or NY State licensed re-sellers of ammunition . We will accept orders from eligible consumers through Monday January 6th for immediate shipment.

As you know, NY State does not yet have the ability to complete background checks for ammunition sales. However, the state is requiring and enforcing the manner in which ammunition sales are transacted as of January 15th.

We greatly appreciate the continued support and business from the shooting community of the State of New York!

AIM Surplus

I have been planning on moving out of NY but unfortunately it's still a few years off at this point. :mad:
 

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Are the police exempt from the SAFE act? I thought they had to comply with it as well. Couldn't someone ask to see if the police had complied with registering their "illegal" magazines?

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Are the police exempt from the SAFE act? I thought they had to comply with it as well. Couldn't someone ask to see if the police had complied with registering their "illegal" magazines?

obin :confused:

Last I heard, the SAFE Act as passed did not exempt LEO from the requirements, but then legislation was passed later (after the snafu was found out) that "corrected" the problem.
 

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This letter seems to have nothing to do with NY SAFE, which is statewide... it seems like some NYC specific law.

After dealing with some NYS troopers last week in Oneida County on the issue of guns it was funny to watch them shake their heads and talk through their teeth whenever they ran into NY SAFE related stuff. My dad passed away and he had a NY pistol permit and a Ruger SR9c. If this had happened here in Virginia it would be in my hands no questions asked. As it stands, the troopers had to take it, but they've been very helpful with what I need to get it out of jail and sent down here. If I decide to keep it, I'll get some of the 17rd magazines for it just to thumb my nose at NY. :p
 

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This letter seems to have nothing to do with NY SAFE, which is statewide... it seems like some NYC specific law.

You are correct. The letter in the OP is related to NYC gun policy, independent of the SAFE act, stemming from long gun registration laws that started in 1967. After increasing registration fees over a couple of decades, in 1991 the law in NYC was amended to prohibit a lists of semi-auto 'assault' weapons. As I understand it, there's been varying levels of activity over the years by the NYPD to enforce these prohibitions using the registration lists - the OP's letter is some of the latest in the campaign. I'm not a NYC resident so I can't speak to the in's and out's of living under those specific rules - all I know is that even as a NYS resident, you don't bring guns to NYC. I don't know, perhaps that is part of the reason we're facing the issues we are today - we in NYS have been content to let everything south of Rockland and Westchester counties go to hell so long as it didn't affect us.

NY is practically its own world in relation to the rest of New York state, with its own ideology and sets of rules (not just related to gun policy). However, the SAFE act is related to this letter in that the act represents an expansion of the NYC line of thinking to the rest of the state. There has been an awakening and more backlash here in NY to registration than what we've seen in other states because we've seen what will happen. Of course it doesn't help when the governor openly states that confiscation or forced sales is an option.
 

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Why are you bumping a 3 year old thread with a video that is even older? :rolleyes:
 

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Why are you bumping a 3 year old thread with a video that is even older? :rolleyes:
Cause bumping threads, hookers and blow is what we do :confused:

I liked what he said and wanted to share. Have you seen this video before I posted it. His summary quoting the judge is the core reason for not banning guns.
 
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