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Paint and Body Work FAQ...

Seems like people are misconstruing information on here constantly... Just wanted to clear a few things up. People experienced in body work can chime in, and please do! Post up your questions about body work in here and either me or some people who are experienced in this can help you

Body Work
Common Supplies/Equipment Needed:
36 grit sandpaper
80 grit sandpaper
180 grit sandpaper (wet/dry)
320 grit sandpaper (wet/dry)
800 grit sandpaper (wet/dry)
Die Grinder
Welder (TIG)
Body Filler (for metal): Evercoat Rage or Z-Grip
Body Filler (for plastics): Evercoat Polyflex
Plastic Adhesive/Repair: Fusor 143 or 3M Flex or Rigid Plastic Repair
Sanding block
Wet sanding block (Durablock is popular)
And remember guys: Body work is not cheap, if you complain about how expensive it can get, and you cheap out with incorrect supplies/prep you will have a ishty end result. You gotta pay to play
Q: How do you shave fenders/hoods/hatches/trunks (virtually the same process, only little details are different ie: sizes, shapes, etc) and what products do you need to use?
A: Well, I'm not going to tell you every single step how to do it but the jist is:
1. Die grind area that you will be working on (~6" in every direction around the area needs to be grinded down)
2. Weld in metal filler panel
3. Die grind the welds smooth
4. Apply first coat of filler
5. Use 80 grit for your first 1-3 layers of filler. Then after you keep filling move up to 180 grit. 180 should be used on the last few layers (total # of layers will be dependant on how well you block your first few. most times is about 5-8 layers total) wet or dry sanding is used at your discretion with 180.
6. Last layer of filler should be sanded with 320 wet
7. Primer is then applied to the 320'd area (Do NOT use anything other than 320 to apply primer)
8. Wet sand the primer with 800 grit and a wetsand block.
9. Depending on the actual paint, either 600 or 800 is ideal when you wet sand the primer. I would personally use 800, regardless of type of paint. Do NOT go over 800, or else paint will not adhere to the panel
10. Now your panel is ready for paint. If you just need instructions on how to prep for paint, start from step 6 instead of 1. and start wetsanding with 320 wet. If your panel was prepainted and cleared, you need to sand down to original panel with 320, then reprimer.
Q: How do you shave/fill plastic?
A: Plastics are MUCH harder to shave/fill and will require a bit more patience. Basically the same jist as metal, but instead you sand down with 36 grit (not a die grinder, most people will start melting plastic and owning their panels with die grinders). Then you pretty much need to find some spare plastic to fill the space you're trying to shave/fill and adhere it with the Fusor Please be careful with this stuff, it has a work time of under 2 minutes. SPECIFIC instructions will NOT be provided in this post. Maybe if i feel like it later I will or if someone else who knows what their doing can post up. After you adhere the plastic, do 80 grit and apply the polyflex (which is the plastic filler). Same steps as the metal work, just different supplies.
Also, do NOT use body filler to literally fill holes. It is to smooth things out, not literally fill sidemarker holes, trunk emblem holes, etc
Body Fillers:
PLEASE DO NOT USE BONDO, IT IS HONESTLY THE WORST BODY
FILLER YOU CAN USE, FOR CRYIN OUT LOUD YOU CAN BUY IT AT AUTOZONE!

If you do not have a local body supply warehouse, use: https://www.autobodytoolmart.com/
Use proffesional body filler from Evercoat. There are alot of different levels available from Evercoat. Popular ones that most body shops use is the Rage line, and Z-Grip. I personally use Z-Grip which was about $50 a gallon.
Evercoat product site:
http://www.evercoat.com/products.aspx
Evercoat Z-Grip:
http://www.evercoat.com/productDetail.aspx?pID=11
Fusor:
http://www.lord.com/Home/Produ....aspx
Hope this clears up and misconceptions....







Modified by lolagain at 10:40 PM 11-4-2007
 

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nice dude.
 

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evercoat rage is great i use this product on my car http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
 

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Re: Paint and Body Work FAQ... (02jettakid17)

i dont care what you say about bondo.....ive used it quite a few times (only for skim layers and its held up great)


Modified by formerly vr6 karl at 6:26 PM 11-4-2007
 

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i dont care what you say about bondo.....ive used it quite a few times (only for skim layers and its held up great)

Modified by formerly vr6 karl at 6:26 PM 11-4-2007

filling body panels is not wise to use bondo, even with very thin layers. it is known to crack and does not like weather changes
 

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Re: Paint and Body Work FAQ... (lolagain)

Good post. A question: In certain spots, namely the area past the 6" you die grind out, you will actually have two layers of paint - the normal body color+clear, and the new paint+clear you used to paint the shaved area. Does the clear even out the transition, or do you feather the color in around the affected areas?
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Re: Paint and Body Work FAQ... (FaelinGL)

Quote, originally posted by FaelinGL »
Good post. A question: In certain spots, namely the area past the 6" you die grind out, you will actually have two layers of paint - the normal body color+clear, and the new paint+clear you used to paint the shaved area. Does the clear even out the transition, or do you feather the color in around the affected areas?
Mike

when painting (blending) you will need to reclear the WHOLE panel. if its prepped right, you will notice no difference after painting. the painter blends in that area that is primered to the old paint and shoots the paint pretty evenly.
 

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when painting (blending) you will need to reclear the WHOLE panel. if its prepped right, you will notice no difference after painting. the painter blends in that area that is primered to the old paint and shoots the paint pretty evenly.

Thanks for the quick answer. http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif Does the painter block down the clear in the unaffected areas, or is that not required for the new clear to hold?
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Thanks for the quick answer. http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif Does the painter block down the clear in the unaffected areas, or is that not required for the new clear to hold?
Mike

yessir http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
the painter will wetsand with most likely 800 until he hits sands off all the clear and maybe even more to feather edge the primer into the paint then then repaints/blends and clears as he would a normal panel http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
 

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Re: Paint and Body Work FAQ... (FaelinGL)

great thread! just a few quesions you guys could maybe answer for me about a few tools one might need for shaving, molding, and stuff like that.
personally, im looking into a few tools to do some projects, such as a dremel, heat gun, polisher/sander.
as for the dremel, im thinking the Variable speed MultiPro. what attachments would one need for cutting bumpers, polishing wheels, and sanding body components like mentioned before.
and a heat gun, to shape plastic, and what not. theyre not expensive, any recommendations on one? ive also been recommended a soldering iron for plastic welding, which could come in handy.
and the sander, could the 7446 Porter Cable random-orbit polisher be doubled up as a polisher for paint, and a sander for body components and polishing wheels and such? if not, are theyre any multipurpose polishers on the market that offer this?


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Quote, originally posted by JETTA420 »
great thread! just a few quesions you guys could maybe answer for me about a few tools one might need for shaving, molding, and stuff like that.
personally, im looking into a few tools to do some projects, such as a dremel, heat gun, polisher/sander.
as for the dremel, im thinking the Variable speed MultiPro.http://www.dremel.com/en-us/to...69724. what attachments would one need for cutting bumpers, polishing wheels, and sanding body components like mentioned before.
and a heat gun, to shape plastic, and what not. theyre not expensive, any recommendations on one? ive also been recommended a soldering iron for plastic welding, which could come in handy.
and the sander, could the 7446 Porter Cable random-orbit polisher be doubled up as a polisher for paint, and a sander for body components and polishing wheels and such? if not, are theyre any multipurpose polishers on the market that offer this?

to be honest, hand sanding panels will be the best overall end result. sure, its alot slower and tedious, but thats what body work really is. taking your time and doing it slowly/correctly is best for the end result. unless if you have a HUGE flat panel like a quater panel, then you could use air powered sanders. for cutting bumpers, you will need die grinders. dremels will work but be very very slow. heat guns are great to shape plastic, like you said
 

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great post http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
for more info for when i get to doing some bodywork
 

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Added to MK4 DIY Listing for long, long time of referencing!
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