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Discussion Starter · #1 · (Edited)
Below is a photo that shows all nine wheels that are offered by VW on the model year 2006 Phaetons. Some of the wheels are restricted to use on the 'lighter' Phaetons (those with the 6 cylinder and 8 cylinder engines). The following wheels can be used on the 'heavy' Phaetons (those with 10 and 12 cylinder engines): Spirit, Champion, Innovation, Performance, Challenge, Aristotoles.
I know for sure that Helios and Inspiration wheels may NOT be installed on the heavy Phaetons. I don't know if Omaynt is approved for the heavy Phaetons or not. Champion and Inspiration wheels are approved for use with snow chains.
Phaeton Wheels as of MY 2006

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I have found it difficult to get a good idea of what the different wheel options look like just from looking at the brochure - so here are some actual photos of the wheels.
Aristoteles - 8½ J by 18, offset depth 45, 255/45 R 18 tires
Manufactured by Ronal Part Number 3D0 601 025 AB 8Z8

Inspiration - 7½ J by 17, offset depth 40, 235/55 R 17 tires
Part Number 3D0 601 025 AC Z31

Expression - 7½ J by 17, offset depth 40
Part Number 3D0 601 025 M 1Z2

Challenge - 8½ J by 18, offset depth 45, 255/45 R 18 tires
Part Number 3D0 601 025 C Z31

Imagine - 7½ J by 17, 235/55 R 17 tires
Part Number 3D0 601 025 AA 88Z

Helios - 8½ J by 19, offset depth 45, 255/40 R 19 tires
Manufactured by Borbet Part Number 3D0 601 025 J 88Z or 3D0 071 492 666

Performance - 8½ J by 18, 255/45 R 18 tires
Part Number 3D0 601 025 S Z33

Regards,
Michael


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Discussion Starter · #4 · (Edited)
Re: (TREGinginCO)

Below is a picture of another new wheel that is available through VW Individual, it is called 'Omanyt'. This wheel and the Helios wheel are ordered through VW Individual, both are 19" wheels.
Omanyt Wheel - 9 J by 19, offset depth 40, 255/40 R 19 tires
Part Number 3D0 601 025 P 8Z8
 

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Can anyone identify by name the wheels on the car in the photo below? I don't think they are "Challenge', because if you look closely, the way the spoke overlaps the circular rim is different than the photo of a 'Challenge' wheel above.
All help would be appreciated.
PanEuropean
Added October 26, 2004: I just received a letter from a Phaeton Customer Service Specialist in Dresden, who confirmed that the wheels in the photo below are called "Innovation"

Innovation Wheel
3D0 601 025 Q - 8.5J x 18H2, ET 45
 

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Re: (PanEuropean)

I know for sure that the first one you posted called challenge is the one called challenge. This last one is not i can say with 100%. Never seen this before, maybe a new wheel coming out?
 

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Re: (PanEuropean)

To me it looks like 18´and not 17´but i could be wrong.
I think these is the standard wheel on the V6 in Europe (unknown name) -->
http://www.auto-redaktion.de/images/phaeton-10.jpg
But usually the V6 buyers upgrade their wheels to the 17´inspiration.
W12 and V10 TDI comes with these wheels standard in Sweden -->
http://www.vwvortex.com/galler...0.jpg
But is usually upgraded to 18´Challenge.
I dont know how to paste in pictures here so i just give you the adresses.
 

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Hi Soki:
Thanks for the response, much appreciated.
I have linked (below) to the two photos you mentioned. The first wheel, the one you referred to as "standard on the V6 in Europe", has since been discontinued by VW, according to the customer representative who took me on a tour of the factory in Dresden a few weeks ago. This is the photo your first link leads to:

Here is the photo your second link refers to:


Modified by PanEuropean at 12:57 AM 10-25-2004 (I removed the incorrect reference I made to the name of the wheel in the second photo)


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Re: (PanEuropean)

Hey!!
No problem..
okey, the first one is 16´ right?
The second link is not Challenge. If you look closely you will se that this is another 18´7,5 wheel that i think is called "Champion". On the Challenge wheel you can see the bults but on this you cant because its covered, then it has a diffrent design.
 

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Soki, you are correct and I was wrong, the second wheel is, in fact, called "Champion", it is a 7½ J by 18 wheel that is described in the European Phaeton brochure as being suitable for the V6 and V8 cars.
Thanks for catching that error. Looks like the only wheel we need to still figure out is the one with the mostly solid center (the one I tagged in the very first post as being possibly out of production, which is the same as the one in your smaller photo right above).
PanEuropean
Champion Wheel - 7½ J by 18, 235/50 R 18 tires Part Number 3D0 601 025 B Z31

The mystery wheel a few posts above - the one on the black Phaeton a few posts above - is called Innovation (this info also comes from the European brochure), photo of it below:
Innovation Wheel - 8½ J by 18, offset depth 45 255/45 R 18 tires Part Number 3D0 601 025 Q 88Z
 

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Re: (PanEuropean)

Hello!
That wheel that you posted (still unknown name) looks to me once again 18´. That wheel i posted looks like 16´. My picture also shows a wheel with bults and that one you posted is covered. I know that you were before offered the V6 with a 16*7,5 alloy wheel with 235/60 R 16 tires. I´m on my way right now to my Phaeton centre and i will try to see if i can get the name for that 16´wheel.
 

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I'm not too good at evaluating wheels (guessing the sizes) - they sort of look the same to me.
One possible identification of the 'mystery wheel' (the one with the pretty much solid middle) is that it might be the "Dynamic" wheel, which is listed as an option on the V6 car in the 2004 model year prospectus. The 2004 German options prospectus for the Phaeton describes the "Dynamic" wheel as follows: 7.5" J by 16, with 235/60 R16 winter tires. In other words, for €1,270, you get four 16" rims, with 4 winter sneakers mounted on them, in addition to whatever 4 rims with summer tires come standard with your V6 car. No tire pressure monitoring is included. If you want tire pressure monitoring for these 4 winter tires, that's an extra €110.
This option (Dynamic wheels) is not listed in the 2005 German prospectus. Only 17" and 18" wheels are offered with snow tires installed, as an additional component shipped with the vehicle.
It's interesting to note that on the same 2004 accessories page, they list 17" wheels with winter tires for the V8, but only offer 18" wheels with winter tires for the V10 and W12. Same in the 2005 catalog. Guess that rules out my plans for getting a set of (cheap) 17" winter tires for my W12.
PanEuropean


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Re: (PanEuropean)

First i noticed that they looked diffrent and then i compared that unknown rim with the 17´inspiration...looks like they are bigger than 16´but what do i know...
i don´t want to be a wiseguy i´m just guessing.
Anyways... there´s another wheel called "Expression", a 17´ extra option for the V6 modell.
Isn´t it possible to get info on all the diffrent wheels to phaeton from VW germany? I asked my phaeton center today but they couldn´t help me with this, i also wanted the price of the Omanyt wheel but they couldn´t order it. I know it´s a individual but still...they just looked at me stupid when i told them about a 19´wheel called omanyt.



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Hi Soki:
I finally got this figured out, and much to my surprise, the answer came from the Fall 2004 issue of the "DriverGear" catalog that VW puts out.
The mystery wheel is called 'Expression' - you were right again with your guess there.
I also note that the 'Helios' wheel, formerly only available through VW Individual, is now available from any VW dealer in North America at a surprisingly low price. I don't know why the North American catalog lists it as 'V8 only' - there is no restriction in the German new car prospectus, in fact, it lists it as a suitable option for the W12. I note they have also made an error on the name of the 'Challenge' wheel, calling it 'Challenger'.
Michael
Scan from Fall 2004 Driver Gear catalog (Canadian Edition) page 23
Edit February 2005 - turns out the Helios price was a printing error, the list price is about CAD $900 a wheel. Michael
 

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Re: (PanEuropean)

Hello!
Very nice!
Maybe you should start a VW phaeton fan page? Looks like you really know your phaetons.

By the way do you know the price for the aristoteles or the omanyt wheel? Omanyt is individual but is the aristoteles standard or extra option? Funny is that the VW dealers in Sweden dosen´t know about either of them. =/
 

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Hi Soki:
Thanks for your kind words. Actually, I think we can all have a lot more fun (and exchange information much more efficiently) if we participate in a 'group' enthusiast page, such as the Phaeton forum here on Vortex, rather than having individual pages. I posted at the TDIClub website for 3 years (mostly hanging out in the 'Upgrades - non engine related' section) before getting the Phaeton, and I learned a lot there, and made many good friends. I'm hoping for the same experience here.
Respecting wheels - the German Phaeton customer pricelist for the 2005 model year shows the Aristoteles wheel as a € 2,330.- upgrade for the V6 and V8 cars, and a € 770.- upgrade for the V10 and W12. I've attached a copy of the German pricelist (30 September 2004 issue), in Adobe Acrobat PDF format, to this message, so you can download and browse it.
For the benefit of those who don't read German, 'Räder' means wheel (as in 'rims'), and 'Reifen' means tire. The various options are listed in alphabetical order.
Michael
 

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Downloaded the PDF file, thanks...
I´ve got a individual catalogue, it says "EVERYONE IS DIFFRENT - LIKE THE PHAETON. VW individual. Do you know if the catalogues is diffrent from country to country? Or if the individual sortiment is diffrent in some kinda way?

I agree with you about the fun of a enthusiast page...I know for sure, we have a big enthusiast page in sweden for Bmw and formerly a bmw (E38) owner i used to be there everyday. But also my friend opened up a info page of the E38 modell (7series 94-01) no forums, no guesstbook, just info and pictures of all the exteriour, interiour, data, individual, changes etc.
I was thinking something like that, maybe a wheel section, exteriour color section, interiour color combinations...
Been thinking of it for about a while but i just didn´t have the time or the competence to do it. It was talk about it here in the forum before but i don´t know what happened to it.
 

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I think the VW Individual program offerings are pretty much the same worldwide, although some options may not be offered in certain countries because of regulatory or legal issues.
I'll try to collect whatever photos and information I can about VW Individual offerings, and post the information here on the Vortex Phaeton forum.
Michael
 

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The last ones (Performance) looks a LOT better in person and just beautiful when the car is rolling.

Here's a picture of the Performance wheels in motion. I think fellow BB member David Duty has these wheels on his car.
Michael
Performance Wheels in Motion
 

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Re: Phaeton Wheel Photos (PanEuropean)

The Performance look outstanding. I called my dealer to inquire about adding a set of them to my '04 V8. They said they "good luck finding them in stock anywhere!" Has anyone else had any luck locating them? If so, any idea how much?
 
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