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Just fitted a set of Porker rims with H&R adapters to my mk2 and having a few problems.
Rims are:
front - 16x7" rims, 205/45/16 tyres.
rear - 16X8" rims, 225/45/16 tyres.
I get rubbing on the actual arch itself when going over bumps at low speed - the part that is rubbing is the actual metal arch (no arch trim fitted), the part where it comes down, then tucks underneath at 90 degrees - well the very innermost bit of this horizontal poiting-inwards part of the arch is being scuffed by the tyres when I go over bumps.
So, should I be getting this problem with these wheels? What can I do? I was thinking of a few options., but need advice:
1. I could maybe grind a few cm off the arch-pointing-inwards bit?
2. fit much stiffer suspension?
3. adjust the bump stops or something to come in much earlier?
I'm not hugely technical, so any advice welcome. The car is on standard suspension (mk2 8v)
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Re: poor mk2 not liking its new shoes....help please! (BlackMKII)

quote:[HR][/HR]have you rolled your fenders?[HR][/HR]​
nope. can you expand on what exactly you mean by this? are "fenders" the arches? what exactly does rolling them involve?
 

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Re: poor mk2 not liking its new shoes....help please! (VW-BMW)

quote:[HR][/HR]You have too much offset.[HR][/HR]​
Are you sure? I should have thought that the adapters would take care of that? The wheels are not sticking too far out, I don't think - theyere is not a large gap between the tyres and the strut at the opposite edge.
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Re: poor mk2 not liking its new shoes....help please! (DanielAdams)

quote:[HR][/HR]You have too much offset.
Are you sure? I should have thought that the adapters would take care of that? The wheels are not sticking too far out, I don't think - theyere is not a large gap between the tyres and the strut at the opposite edge.
Dan[HR][/HR]​
I'm thinking maybe the adapters are too thick and the wheels are sticking too far out even though you don't think so. I'm still trying to get a visual image of what's happening here though.
If you are at standard ride height, I've got to think offset is the only thing that could cause this.
Are the front or rear wheels rubbing?


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Re: poor mk2 not liking its new shoes....help please! (VW-BMW)

"I'm thinking maybe the adapters are too thick and the wheels are sticking too far out even though you don't think so. I'm still trying to get a visual image of what's happening here though."
You might be right, but i want to keep the wheels, have seen them fitted to mk2s before, and want to know how it can be done without rubbing. Rubbing where indicated in red:


"If you are at standard ride height, I've got to think offset is the only thing that could cause this."
I am at standard ride height, but these are the correct (the only) adapters for these wheels,a nd AFAIK, there is no way of offsetting wheels *further in* is there. I believe there would be risk of fouling the strut if they were any further in anyway. I could be wrong on all the above.
"Are the front or rear wheels rubbing?"
All I've noticed is a "schrrrrrrrrrrrrrK' noise when i go over large bumps, and looking at the car, there is paint being rubbed off in the place indicated on the picture.
Hope someone can help now I have posted extra information

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Re: poor mk2 not liking its new shoes....help please! (DanielAdams)

"rolling" the fenders is basically bending the inner fender lip (circled in red in your diagram) up and out of the way of the tire giving you another 1/2" or so of clearance.
 

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Re: poor mk2 not liking its new shoes....help please! (Evil16vGLI)

quote:[HR][/HR]"rolling" the fenders is basically bending the inner fender lip (circled in red in your diagram) up and out of the way of the tire giving you another 1/2" or so of clearance.[HR][/HR]​
That sounds perfect - a less extreme version of my "grinding" idea!

Any idea as to how easy this is? or how long a bodyshop would take to do it? I've been a stupid git and fitted these wheels to my daily driver, making daily driving currently very trying and cautious.
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Re: poor mk2 not liking its new shoes....help please! (DanielAdams)

by "front or rear wheels" I meant the front 2 wheels or the rear 2 wheels, not the front or rear of the wheels.

There is such a thing as a fender rolling tool. It looks like pliers with sheetmetal pieces on the clamping part instead of the jagged edges.
 

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Re: poor mk2 not liking its new shoes....help please! (NJB)

what i did was simply jack the car up stick a metal baseball bat on top of the tire lower the car down onto the bat and then "roll" the bat both ways several times...I did this on all 4 arches and it worked good..havent rubbed since..
 

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Re: poor mk2 not liking its new shoes....help please! (REDMK2GTI)

thanks for all the help. I'm not sure if I'm confident enough to literally take a baseball bat to it as advised by one intrepid vortexer - I think I'll hold out for a bodyshop slot on saturday. Am I safe to be driving around rubbing until then (ooh err missus) or am I running the risk of a blowout, permanent body damage, or worse?
Final questions I promise! Cheers for all the great help
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quote:[HR][/HR]what i did was simply jack the car up stick a metal baseball bat on top of the tire lower the car down onto the bat and then "roll" the bat both ways several times...I did this on all 4 arches and it worked good..havent rubbed since..[HR][/HR]​
Sounds kinda risky. Did you heat the fender first or anything?
 

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Re: poor mk2 not liking its new shoes....help please! (VW-BMW)

by "front or rear wheels" I meant the front 2 wheels or the rear 2 wheels, not the front or rear of the wheels.

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Ooops, my bad. Its the rear wheels, sorry. But if I'm going to get this fancy-schmancy fender-rolling done, I'll just get all four buggers done.
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Re: poor mk2 not liking its new shoes....help please! (DanielAdams)

BUMP
Just need this final question answering still please:
"Am I safe to be driving around rubbing until then (ooh err missus) or am I running the risk of a blowout, permanent body damage, or worse?"
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Re: poor mk2 not liking its new shoes....help please! (DanielAdams)

quote:[HR][/HR]BUMP
Just need this final question answering still please:
"Am I safe to be driving around rubbing until then (ooh err missus) or am I running the risk of a blowout, permanent body damage, or worse?"
Dan[HR][/HR]​
I'd have to say no since you can't view the tire whilst rolling around. If you happen to hit a good, sharp bump while it is rubbing it could be real bad for the sidewalls. Very well might not be safe.
 
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