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please read this carefully and throroughly.
Back when I installed my neuspeed rear bar (25mm) I got it as centered as I possibly could.. using the indentions on the beam as refrence points... and then the shock mount itself. I got the beam mounts tight.. and then did the drivers side endlink no problem. The pass side though.. the bolt only went halfway through the endlink and then I had to pry the bar a bit and bang on the bolt. It was a bit tighter fit. I reloosened all the bolts and yanked on the bar to see if it would shift to the drivers side a hair.. then tightend it all back up. I didnt think anything of it again since there didnt seem to be any bind or odd noises... until....
I had posted this pic yesterday after washing the car

and everyone had immediatly commented on how my car was sagging on one side!! people said they had noticed it before too and didnt comment... and someone asked if I had tightnd the swaybar too tight on one side... or got it misalighned when I installed it.
Now please be aware that this driveway is angled.. AND it is broken and settled concrete... far from level. Thus the reason for the dramatic sag in the picture. If you pay attention to the measurements you will see that the car sits level on good pavement
I took these measurements as it sat in the driveway
DF 26 5/8 PF 27
DR 27 7/8 PR 27 1/2
Then I said.. well duh heh... and pulled it into the garage.. which I think is fairly level. Then I got:
DF 26 6/8 PF 26 5/8
DR 27 5/8 PR 27 5/8
I measured axle shift from side to side in relation to the body.. using a straightedge and a level from the fender lip to the ground.. measured from the straightedge to the lip of the rim. It was within 1/16th of an inch.. with the 1/16th shift to the pass side.
I measured my endlinks and they were exactly the same length.
I noticed at work today though that it was canted to one side again though. perhaps its the pavement I thought... since I was parked where the pavement ended and the concrete for the curb began. So I pulled out and over and reparked and measured it again. Again pass side about 1/8th inch low... but I think air is low in that tire.
So I measured from the wheel lip to the fender to take out any sidewall differences and got:
DF 23 6/8 PF 23 6/8
DR 24 3/16 PR 24 1/8
but now i'm paranoid that I screwed up when I had to pry on that bar a little to get the bolt through. When i tightned the bolt I noticed it sucked that end of the bar ever so very slightly towards the drivers side. Hence why I loosend the axle mounts and tried to shift it a bit.
Do you guys think everything is A-OK??? I mean... i've established that the car sits suprisingly level on good pavement.... but you know how I am.
 

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Re: rear swaybar installation causing problems or paranoid?? READ CAREFULLY!! (Rave'nGTi)

The messed up driveway and the shadow from the house and car are making an optical illusion i would take the numbers over what it looked like(on a level surfuce, of course).
 

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Re: rear swaybar installation causing problems or paranoid?? READ CAREFULLY!! (Bob Roberts)

heres what you are going to do.
1) Delete that picture.
2) Drive you car to a LARGE empty parking lot. Im talking like a movie theatre parking lot. Park your car in 5 to 6 different places, and take pictures from the front, and back at each of those places. Then examine those pictures. Post those pictures with you mathematical calculations.
The picture you have shown is largely distorted from the lighting and your driveway conditions.
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Re: rear swaybar installation causing problems or paranoid?? READ CAREFULLY!! (Rave'nGTi)

I think its the paranoid part! A few things why I say this..
- The pic itself was not taken flat. By looking at it you can see the camera was not level. The top and bottom of the garage doors explain what I mean.
- The drive is not level either? It looks to be a slight incline
- But most of all its the shadows on the rear bumper. The lower shadow starts pretty much in the middle (above the skirt) and goes up alot.
- The second shadow being right on the hatch gap/drivers tail light! It goes the oppiste way! By looking at the pic you could even say that the tail lights are not even. One being higher!
Your good to go! Esp since you checked it while it was flat and the endlinks are the same! Its just the combo shadow and the pic not being level!
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Re: rear swaybar installation causing problems or paranoid?? READ CAREFULLY!! (ROCKRLR)

hey I didnt start it!!!
everyone else freaked out in the "just washed my car" post I did yesterday heh...
I didnt think anything of it till then
 

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Re: rear swaybar installation causing problems or paranoid?? READ CAREFULLY!! (ROCKRLR)

quote:[HR][/HR]Girl, you are obsesive. Let me give you some advice: XANAX!
Girl, you are compulsive. Let me give you some advise: XANAX!
[HR][/HR]​
HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH...........true



[Modified by phatplat, 8:56 PM 2-11-2002]
 

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Re: rear swaybar installation causing problems or paranoid?? READ CAREFULLY!! (Bob Roberts)

I think that it is paranoya...I have had 4 VW's and have noticed that they haven't sat evenly from one time to another...but it has differed from one side to another, so I always determined that it was from the level of the ground that they were sitting on. I am like 99.9 % sure that everything is fine. I am really anal when it comes to stuff like this too, and I too have the ability to lose sleep over something like this. So in conclusion I think that your setup is perfect and would atribute the difference's to the level of the ground. It's fine considering that you have had equal measurements on both sides at one time or another. It's fine...watch the olympics with your fiance and try not to worry about it!
 

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Re: rear swaybar installation causing problems or paranoid?? READ CAREFULLY!! (KJ-VR6)

But thanks for the mental picture!
"Back when I installed my neuspeed rear bar (25mm) - then I had to pry the bar a bit and bang on the bolt - I reloosened all the bolts and yanked on the bar"
A cutie with a tool box, under her own car (VW at that!), installing sway bars...... What more could you ask for!?!?!




[Modified by KJ-VR6, 9:00 PM 2-11-2002]
 

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Re: rear swaybar installation causing problems or paranoid??

quote:[HR][/HR]But thanks for the mental picture!
A cutie with a tool box, under her own car (VW at that!), installing sway bars...... What more could you ask for!?!?!
[HR][/HR]​

heh.... hey how much do you want for your red/clear/reds?? I'll trade you some absolutely useless stock parts for it ....

well heres a modified picture... I removed that shadow and then lightend the entire picture. takes away those weird effects
 

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Re: rear swaybar installation causing problems or paranoid?? (Rave'nGTi)

Is that the front or the back? (j/k)
Hey, is Farmpit a real place?
 

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Re: rear swaybar installation causing problems or paranoid?? READ CAREFULLY!! (Rave'nGTi)

Dani,
When I first noticed the sag in your car it was in the pictures that you took on a lunch break (I think the title of the post was "lunch break pics" or something like that). Your car was parked in what looked like a carport and you were taking pictures from down low and in front, not from the rear. This is also before you installed the sway bars, by several weeks if I am not mistaken.
I'd be paranoid too, but I am clueless enough not to be of any help to you beyond that. Sorry I didn't mention it when I first saw it.
 

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Re: rear swaybar installation causing problems or paranoid?? (JettaRed)

quote:[HR][/HR]Is that the front or the back? (j/k)
Hey, is Farmpit a real place?[HR][/HR]​
nope.. actually its farmington... its up in the 4 corners area around shiprock... durango... etc.
biggest town in the area
 

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Re: rear swaybar installation causing problems or paranoid?? (Rave'nGTi)

First off, you're going insane. Second, I don't even see how a slightly misaligned sway bar could cause your car to sit funny (basically, you'd have to put as much force into jamming everything together as it would take to lift the car up that half inch [or however much it's off] - not too likely). Third, even though you love posting pictures, they just confuse the issue. Park it somewhere flat and measure to the fenders (you've posted some numbers, so just leave it at that). Visually inspecting your car via the internet is kind of crazy (yeah, I know someone else got you started on that). Fourth, my golf's not perfectly level either. I guess car's aren't very symmetric things.
Man, I wish I has as many responses when I asked about my freakin' misaligned doors. Now that's a problem that would truly drive anyone on this board crazy, not just paranoid car nuts from new mexico!
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quote:[HR][/HR]Dani,
When I first noticed the sag in your car it was in the pictures that you took on a lunch break (I think the title of the post was "lunch break pics" or something like that). Your car was parked in what looked like a carport and you were taking pictures from down low and in front, not from the rear. This is also before you installed the sway bars, by several weeks if I am not mistaken.
I'd be paranoid too, but I am clueless enough not to be of any help to you beyond that. Sorry I didn't mention it when I first saw it.[HR][/HR]​
not sure if this is one of the pictures.... but its REALLY canted in this one (notice the roof line of the house in the background is level like its supposed to be)
This is about 3 days after I bought the car... months before the swaybar install.. parked in about the same place as the above picture.

ok.. i'm not paranoid anymore... gotta be the driveway!
OMG I cant believe imagestation wont let you view pictures anymore

They did just a few weeks ago?? well that just sucks!!! gimme a sec to upload it



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quote:[HR][/HR]
biggest town in the area
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At least you have your car for entertainment.
 
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