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Rebuilding a CPR and adding adjustability

32K views 27 replies 18 participants last post by  ToddA1  
#1 ·
OK, this thread was initiated, because of this thread... http://forums.vwvortex.com/zer...71900
As stated, I decided to rebuild and add (easy) adjustability to the cold control pressure. This wasn't my design, I got it from here: http://www.pelicanparts.com/te...g.htm
1st step, remove the screws and be careful when removing the bottom cover. It's under spring tension. This is what you'll be looking at. The spring, hat and pin have been removed, exposing the entire heating element. I've had heating elements that read 12 ohms and were fine. IIRC, Bentley call for 16-22ohms? As long as you're not open, I'd use it.

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Remove the horseshoe clip holding the electrical connection, then the 10mm nut and washers. The threaded stud/plug (to the right) sets "Cold Control Pressure". The blackish cylinder (to the left) houses a diaphragm that controls both "Cold & Warm Control Pressure".

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I removed the 4 screws while the cylinder was still in the housing. I got ahead of myself and should have pressed it out (don't hammer) first, with a vice or press, then removed the screws.
Once the lower cover is off remove the steel diaphragm. If it's sticking, loosen it with carb cleaner and compressed air. Like a jackass I scratched my diaphragm, because it was stuck and I picked at it with a small screwdriver. It wasn't a fatal scratch, so all is good. This diaphragm is thinner than a piece of paper, so be careful.

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Here's the o-ring and rust that was under the diaphragm.

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I mentioned I sprayed carb cleaner at the supposedly clean looking screens, and blew it out with compressed air. I couldn't blow air through it with my mouth, so I pulled the 5 screens. and a lot more rust was hiding under them. Air went through, effortlessly.

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Prior to cleaning parts. Don't look at the scratched diaphragm.

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Reinstall the plug, flush with the top housing using a little antisieze. Use a drill press and drill the 1.5mm roll/tension pin hole first, then tap the pin in. Next, centerpunch, drill then tap the hole for the 5mm bolt. If you're not 100% centered, that's fine.... get it as close as humanly possible.
A roll pin assortment is available in a small Dorman blisterpack for about $3, in the "Help" isle of auto stores. There's only (1) 1.5mm pin in it. In my pic, I used the next size up, as I've made these in the past. Just tap it until it just peeks through the bottom, then cut and file off the excess.

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Start reassembly; anything that had grease was regreased with synthetic. For the "cold" plug, tap the plug about 2-3mm deeper than it originally was. Press the blackish cylinder back in (using a little antisieze), leaving it 1-2mm higher than it originally was. Large port is to the right when "in position".

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Bottom out bolt with washer and nut and you're done.

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Setting pressures...
Reinstall fuel lines, but keep the plug disconnected and don't bolt the CPR to the block. At this point, have the CIS gauge hooked up. Pull the injectors, jump the FP relay and set the sensor plate height. Reinstall the injectors, and start the car. Remember that lower control pressure is richer.
Now if you tapped the plug lower than it was, the cold control pressure should be very low. Turn the nut clockwise, so it's pulling the plug out. 20-25 psi is what I aim for, depending on ambient temperature. Mine was set to 21 psi @ about 55*F.
If the pressure is higher than your goal, tap the plug in. Make sure the nut isn't bottomed out, place the CPR on something solid and give it a whack. I use the intake manifold for stability and start with light blows. While watching the gauge, you'll get a feel with how much force to use and this plug requires some.
Once the pressure is within spec, plug the CPR in. Your harness should have a steady 12v. I waited until the fan ran twice, but didn't need to. After a minute, the pressure will have crept as high as it will, as it's working off the internal heating element. Mine pegged at 40 psi. Now, what a lot of people don't know, is that the "warm" pressure is also adjustable. I stumbled upon this in a MB forum.
Since you left the cylinder higher, your warm control pressure should be lower (richer) than ideal. Using a flat tipped drift, tap the cylinder down. Do not tap the banjos, and do not use a lot of force. I've damaged a cylinder (in the past) and this plug doesn't require a lot of movement for significant changes.
This is the only safe place to tap the cylinder.....

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.... to get this.

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Originally, I accidentally overtapped to 60 psi, disassembled, reassembled, then set it to 54 psi. Because of this, I wanted to verify my cold setting, and saw 40 psi. My point being, if you reopen it, reverify both settings. I've verified both settings 3 times since hooking this up.
I ended up resetting my warm pressure to 52 psi. The range you want to be in is 49-55 psi, so I wanted to be in the middle. For a modified engine, I'd want to be at 49 psi or lower. All of this disassembly has me thinking of making a version "2" with easier cold and adjustable warm settings.
In the end, I saw 21 psi cold, 52 psi warm with a 45* dwell +/- .2* @ 900rpm. My cold idle sucks, because I need to address my auxiliary air valve. I'm only really concerned about warm idle anyhow.
-Todd
 
#8 ·
Thanks guys.... I've got a ton more projects that are half finished, but I try and post when time allows.
While searching the archives, I recall someone who wired in a variable resistor that was dash controlled. By limiting the voltage to the heating element, he was able to control the warm control pressure. He raced, so this wouldn't apply to me, but I thought it was cool.
BTW, I've rebuilt these in the past, too.

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Slightly more involved, because of more parts, but definitely doable.
-Todd
 
#9 ·
Re: Rebuilding a CPR and adding adjustability (ToddA1)

Did you leave the CPR with no mesh or did you reinstall the old ones?

I would love you long time if you post up a fuel dizzy guide like this one http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif


Modified by Conejo ***** at 9:01 AM 11-20-2009
 
#11 ·
Re: Rebuilding a CPR and adding adjustability (Conejo *****)

My screens were fubar & I left them out.
I guess you could find suitable replacement material, but since the clog lied under and between the screens, leaving them out ensures it'll never happen again.
If you drive the car and keep fresh gas in it, I doubt it'll ever be an issue. Mine looked like rust from moisture in the fuel and sitting stagnant.
There are a bunch of write ups for the FD rebuild. Googling it will take you to Porsche or MB forums (with active pics) where CIS is common. It won't look exactly the same, but functionally, it is. Take your time with this, if you attempt it. There are a lot of o-rings that can be torn if you start forcing stuff, due to the very close tolerances.
-Todd
 
#12 ·
Re: Rebuilding a CPR and adding adjustability (ToddA1)

Adding some pics. I don't like editing 1st posts; some people may miss the updates.
Missing pic of what you'll see when you first remove the lower cover.

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echassin, posted pics of his CPR disassembled. It's a different style that I had shown, so I went into the garage and opened both styles.
Other than the obvious taller height of the one he had, the bottom plates are different. The inside of his bottom plate houses a brass disc. Smooth on the outside, and ribbed like the bottom of a tin can, on the inside. Other noticeable differences were a shorter spring, and different hat design with an integral and removable pin.

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Opening them will reveal 2 different heater elements.

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The dual element in his seems to be designed to work in opposing forces, hence the dual elements and pins. It would make sense that the elements travel less. There's the good possibility that the warm control pressure could be adjusted by tapping the brass plate. I'd still feel safer tapping the black cylinder.
Here's another reason your warm pressure may be out of spec. Pressing one cylinder out was insanely difficult. I had to grab a torch and some penetrating oil, due to internal corrosion.
Inside the cylinder's fuel chamber was (amazingly,) spotlessly clean, including above and below the screens. Here's the bad part.... the lower plate and the small disc the pin rests in, were rusted together. The smaller disc is pressed by the pin and moves against the steel diaphragm. If the diaphragm doesn't move, pressure doesn't change. Antiseize these parts.

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Also, break the 4 small screws on the fuel cylinder, prior to pressing it out. They're pretty tight and it's hard to hold the cylinder and break the screws free. I ended up pressing it back in, so I could lock the body in the vice.

-Todd
 
#19 · (Edited)
this is interesting, they have the version with 2 heating elements. On the back of the cpr they drill a hole thru the brass disc to reveal a allen head socket that is used instead of tapping the big plug in...

edit: after watching the video again and looking at my spare cpr, the cpr in the vid is different than the 2 shown in this thread
 
#20 · (Edited)
just did this with my orig 78 wur/cpr

many drill bits are SAE sizes
the best fitting final bit (size up from small to larger) was a 11/64inch

7/64 to 9/64 to 11/64 worked great

used a M5x.80 tap


my screens arent too terribly rusty or anything
youre saying there are 5 pressed screens in there?!

yep 5 screens
3 different mesh sizes
apparently sandwiched largest outside smallest in the middle
the smallest one was very hard to see through


i can finish rebuilding this one in the next few days
then install it and test it
 
#24 ·
Somewhere in the thread, I mentioned adding the ability to lower the warm control pressure, without requiring disassembly.... well, I finally did it.

I drilled and tapped two M5 holes in the part with the banjos. This was done weeks ago; that was the furthest I took it. Today, I was setting warm pressure and and tapped too far. Came up with a quick puller.

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I easily went from 60 to 50.

-Todd
 
#26 ·
I’d love to be able to take all of the credit, but as mentioned, I gleaned 95% from the interwebz...

I‘m thinking I can only take credit for the puller, part. Fwiw, I drilled .375” down and used a homemade bottom tap, meaning I purposely broke a tap, to get it to cut to the bottom.

-Todd
 
#27 ·
Adding a suggestion to drill and install another roll pin, at the large fuel cylinder. I noticed a tiny bit of wetness at the 14mm banjo; when I went to tighten it, the barrel rotated. My guess is, 30+ years of corrosion are locking the cylinder in position. Once disassembled and cleaned, you lose the natural bond. I think I may have lubed the bore, also.... maybe not a great idea.

I’ll need to pull this thing apart, again....

-Todd