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APR Full Turbo-Back Exhaust - 2½" Diameter
Quality : PERFECT! Compared to the ATP DP/CAT system I used to have, as well as compared to the Maganflow cat back, its like comparing a Pinto to a Porsche! Everything about the APR kit screams excellence. From the welds, to the polished appearance. Its just a damn shame you can't see this thing easily!
Installation : It took me, ALONE, less than 45 minutes to install the WHOLE turbo-back system. While I would have preferred to see flange-connections myself, everything went together VERY nicely. Fit and finish was good, and all the hardware you need is included (I found the "3rd" clamp I thought I was missing - sorry guys at APR for my phone call!).
Sound Quality : Perhaps one of the most noticable changes in an exhaust kit is NOT performance, but SOUND! And if there is one thing that APR did VERY well with this kit, it is sound. Although I am a huge fan of loud-and-proud, this exhaust is amazing. It seems a tad quieter than the ATP/Magnaflow setup, but when you get on it, and near redline, the tone SCREAMS! No resonance, no drone - just plain excellence. Once again, louder would be okay with me - but for the general public, its a nice overall tone and pitch.
Performance : Those of you who know me, know I used to run with NO CAT. So, you might wonder, why go DOWN from 3" to 2½" and run a cat? Well, because I'm a HUGE APR fan... but also because I THOUGHT I was going to get the Stage 3 kit - but that isn't happening.
So, how is the PERFORMANCE, you ask? AWESOME! Mated with my AWW-motor 93-octane specific programming, the car hauls! On the freeway 5th gear pulls from 75mph to 120mph with oomph and pizzaz! I'm just lucky I didn't get a speeding ticket driving around tonight. There isnt a HUGE noticable difference from my old 3" DP, testpipe and Magnaflow setup - however, the quality is better, the sound is a bit "nicer" and less drone - and most importantly, if the performance feels the same WITH the cat, then I'm being a good boy to the environment.
So, if you're THINKING about getting a turbo-back exhaust, then you know what I would suggest.... APR!!!
PS: Apologies, but I didn't take any pictures. I did the work alone with my own dirty little paws - and didn't want to get my digicam all filthy. Plus, someone took pix recently so you all know what it looks like - or go to APR's web site if you want... but its awesome!
 

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Re: REVIEW : APR Turbo-Back Exhaust System.... (twilight3434)

quote:[HR][/HR]how much was the whole system and how much horse power did you gain, about?[HR][/HR]​
The total came to $1,144 - shipped to my doorstep in Cleveland, Ohio.
I did NOT dyno the car before and after - but if I were going to guess, I would say the kit PROBABLY adds in the neighborhood of 10-15HP perhaps... so for my car, I am supposed to be about 204HP chipped (91 octane) - I would guess my HP is about 225 crank with my K&N drop-in, 93-octane program, and turbo-back exhaust.
PS: I'm going to dyno the car in about 2 weeks, after my clutch, flywheel, LSD, and intercooler are in - so, stay tuned!


[Modified by Shaka, 9:38 PM 2-7-2002]
 

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Re: REVIEW : APR Turbo-Back Exhaust System.... (twilight3434)

congrats. i wonder if you lost or gained any performance. are you going to dyno your set-up soon? the only thing i don't like is the price, considering it is only 2.5".
but quality looks nice.
 

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Re: REVIEW : APR Turbo-Back Exhaust System.... (wolfsburg2)

$1,100!!!!!BKHJGW:QKHD>GFJHGFDTG!!!!!!???!<><[email protected]'s it made of ...TITANIUM? If your happy with your purchase..great....but don't ever compare Magnaflow to a Pinto......Maybe the reason you think you've achieved and HP increase IS THE FACT THAT YOU USED TO HAVE A 3" DP, NO CAT, MATED TO A 2.25" CATBACK....Congratulations, you figured out that an exhaust, if expected to augment the performance of your vehicle, must be properly mated to your engines output
 

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Re: REVIEW : APR Turbo-Back Exhaust System.... (Playa178)

Je suis un expert when it comes to exhaust. I am a wholesale distributor of Magnaflow products. I don't mind constructive criticism of any kind, it informs and opens up subjects to intelligent discussion. When someone degrades a product or company publicly without any rational or measurable basis upon which to lend credibilty to the claims or statements made, especially when it's in respect to something I have a considerable amount of experience with, I tend to get a little angry...
I pointed out what is obvious to me....A 3 " DP, no Cat , mated to a 2.25" catback is a ridiculous combination for any vehicle...If you want to compare products, use the same controls, just single out an individual part for which you wish to make a comparison....Going from the aforementioned setup to the 2.5" Turbo Back is not a situation in which any logical person can compare performance gains, sound differences, etc... The catback is not the only difference, the Cat is NOW ON, THE DP IS NOW 2.5", The System Is NOW ALL THE SAME DIAMETER.....
 

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Re: REVIEW : APR Turbo-Back Exhaust System.... (Magnaflow.CA)

In the european car 1.8T exhaust shootout, the Magnaflow catback system made 5 hp less than the stock/basline (175 vs 180). In my opinion, that doesn't speak very well for the design of the Magnaflow exhaust.
 

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wolfsburg2 : Yeah, it would have been nice to have dyno tested the car before/after - oh well! And as for the price - I feel, as I stated, its a lot more about quality and longetivity too. This system should last a while - I know people with Audi A4's with APR exhausts that are MINT after 3+ years!
Magnaflow : First off, understand that my comparison meant no harm - but let me WARRANT my CLAIMS for you. The magnaflow hardware is not terrible - but ALL components turned a bronze/gold color from the heat. The Magnaflow is only 2.25" diameter - and on a Jetta a magazine test recently showed the Magnaflow LOST power over stock. So, my results on MY car, as well as my findings from a National Magazine show the Maganflow is inferior to the competition. Take it or leave it, this forum is full of opinions, and these are MY opinions!
Furthermore, Magnaflow has put themselves in a strange situation. You are going to tell me all exhausts need to be the same size throughout, eh? If that is the case, then the only people who should run a 1.8T with a Magnaflow are people who NEVER EVER plan to upgrade the downpipe/cat. Because, there are only 2.5", and 3.0" downpipe upgrades. And if that is the case, they would wnat to discard their Magnaflow immediatly after, and go larger. Seems like Magnaflow needs to make a 2.5" and 3.0" exhaust then, dont you agree!? Just MY opinions here...

Playa178 : Holiday pricing - but that is now over sadly! I believe the pricing is now around $1,200 but still that is a heck of a deal for the quality of the product. If you can sprout the extra cash, you'll know "exactly where that extra money went" --- quote that movie! heheh...
Finally... people need to realize that posts on these forums are opinions.. the title of this original thread is a "Review" - and it is just that - MY REVIEW! I'm a huge fan of the products on my car - that is why they are ON MY CAR! So, if you want to disagree, go for it.
But, when I run a cat-back system that can't handle the high temps of a cat-less race car, I'll assume I need to upgrade. When I see test pipe and flange pipes from a downpipe system breaking, left and right, I assume the quality is poor. So, my findings, from "my" experiences, forumlate the opinions above. Disclaimer : if you dont like my opinions, click your BACK button NOW!
 

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Re: Replies.... (Shaka)

Skaka, good opinions! Thanks for the info. I guess that I would like to hear what the APR sounds like. Maybe a sound clip?
Your car is pretty dang nice. (from your website)
I hope to just get the downpipe and attach my 2.5" cat-back HPA exhaust. If the APR sounds that good I just might save a little longer....
 

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Re: Replies.... (eggroller)

Thanks for the review and opinion - I would love to see pics when you get the chance..I'm planning on getting their DP and cat as soon as the IRS gives me some $$ back...
 

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Re: REVIEW : APR Turbo-Back Exhaust System.... (Magnaflow.CA)

quote:[HR][/HR]....A 3 " DP, no Cat , mated to a 2.25" catback is a ridiculous combination for any vehicle... [HR][/HR]​
To think that this same combo got me deep into the 13s......
 

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Re: REVIEW : APR Turbo-Back Exhaust System.... (Shaka)

Glad to hear you like the exhaust. Good review too. My only gripe thus far with the exhaust is "Why only the hidden tips?". I love the A4 tips they offer. Hopefully I can transplant them onto the system. Other than that I can't wait to purchase this thing! Yeah stage 2!
 

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Re: REVIEW : APR Turbo-Back Exhaust System.... (Shaka)

glad to hear you love the exhaust but I have to agree with some of the other posts that at $1150 it certainly is a premium price. Does it have a million mile warranty like that other high-dollar exhaust system?
 

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Re: REVIEW : APR Turbo-Back Exhaust System.... (Newbie-tle)

quote:[HR][/HR]
glad to hear you love the exhaust but I have to agree with some of the other posts that at $1150 it certainly is a premium price. Does it have a million mile warranty like that other high-dollar exhaust system?[HR][/HR]​
Well $1150 is a good chunk of money. However, you need to realize this exhaust, as well as Forced Motion which is ~$1200, are TURBO BACK systems. That means you have a highflow DP, cat, and catback exhaust. When you look at it like this the $1150 price tag becomes VERY reasonable. The other exhausts on the market that range from $300-800 are catback systems at best and some are only mufflers.
 

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Re: REVIEW : APR Turbo-Back Exhaust System.... (einsig)

I just drove the APR Houston dealer test car which is a 2002 Gti with APR SW and their turbo back exhaust and I love it, it pulled really strong, sounded great, the quality is very impressive and it is totally hidden....If I was to buy an exhaust it would be FM 3" or the APR 2.5" and magnaflow can stick to JCWhitney for all I care they don't have a competitive product but between APR and FM your going to be close on power and price for a system that would not have to upgraded even again.... http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
 

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Re: REVIEW : APR Turbo-Back Exhaust System.... (txturbo11)

atp dp:249+cat:200+tt cb=500=$949
still 200 shy of apr. i am not knocking apr at all, but price should not be part of your argument with apr. quality, fitment, maybe even durability, but not price.
give their set-up some time, and we will see how it really is.
 
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