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Running K04 at 1.4bar with stock DV???

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There was quite a bit of discussion recently about someone's turbo going bad. One of the things I gathered from the long discussion is that you need to have a properly rated DV/BOV for the size turbo (boost level) you are running. Well now I have my K04
and I'm running UPsolute software for it
and I'm beginning to wonder if my stock DV (even if it's not failing) is sufficient for releasing that excess boost when letting off the gas. I want to know that I'm not doing damage to this turbo considering the level of boost I'm running (I'll have a boost log as soon as I hunt down somebody with VAG-COM). I don't really want to spend the money on a Forge if I can get a full blown BOV (Greddy has been my plan) and run it in DV mode... So - what do you guys think - Stock DV - BAD? Forge would be sufficient? Go for the Greddy and be happy ? Also - IF I decide to get the BOV - is there a setting I need to put it on (people have been talking washers and stuff
?
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Re: Running K04 at 1.4bar with stock DV??? (Gambit)

at this point I think the stock DV is either hurting your performance or is on its way out anyhow. time to think upgrade http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
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Re: Running K04 at 1.4bar with stock DV??? (synthsis)

I am running the forge valve with ZERO problems...I never throw any codes.....Most of my other friends with Bailys and the greddy and the HKS throw overboost codes....I clear their codes all the time and I never have any......is it the forge? I am not really sure....but mine works great.
Re: Running K04 at 1.4bar with stock DV??? (Gambit)

The stock DV would probably prevent a turbo failure since it won't be able to hold as much boost as an aftermarket one would.
drm916 With your K04 what version of the GIAC software are you running?
Re: Running K04 at 1.4bar with stock DV??? (tobyc)

from what I understand - the problem is not holding boost but rather flushing all of it FAST when you let go of the gas. If you don't flush it - you get a surge which could cause turbo damage... that's why I'm considering an upgrade...
Re: Running K04 at 1.4bar with stock DV??? (Gambit)

My point is that the stock DV would probably prevent surging because it wouldn't take as much pressure to get it to open.
Re: Running K04 at 1.4bar with stock DV??? (tobyc)

all DV's are vacuum actuated.... they don't rely on boost to open them... so thinking that a stock one is going to leak or bleed off boost because you're pushing more boost is wrong.
gambit has a point -- if it's not large enough to release air fast enough, then it could be an issue -- but i don't know what 'large enough' means in this case.
Re: Running K04 at 1.4bar with stock DV??? (John A)

I stand corrected. Sit actually but the effect is the same.
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Re: Running K04 at 1.4bar with stock DV??? (Gambit)

I am runnig with the stock DV so far,and to be honest I have no problem,why would you recommand to change to aftermarket DV
does the forge DV holds the boost more than the stock one



[Modified by MAX_POWER, 10:25 AM 2-7-2002]
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Here's the story on the DV…


This picture is from an engineering paper on VW's first application of the DV. Notice the flow direction. The designers had two things in mind. When pressure is higher on the lower side of the diaphragm a force is generated that opposes the spring force that holds the valve closed. The outlet pipe goes to the compressor inlet, so pressure on this section of diaphragm is normally slightly lower than atmospheric. The small port on top goes to a pneumatic control signal (In the Audi TT case the EMU can switch the source between just downstream of the throttle (boost or vacuum) or a vacuum reservoir or vented to atmosphere). Under normal conditions it's vented, so for the vast majority of time the diaphragm sees little pressure difference and therefore is unstressed. When the throttle is closed vacuum is applied allowing the pressure from the outlet pipe to push open the DV (there's no such thing as a suction force, it's the higher exterior pressure that is exerting the force). The inlet pipe comes from the compressor outlet. The designers figured if for any reason an overpressure condition should present itself the force on the inlet area of the valve would force it open and thereby protect the motor. The problems started when VW/Audi began selling cars with greater turbo pressure. With this design, the valve would blow open under normal circumstances. So the quick fix (not requiring a DV redesign) was to change the direction of air flow. Very high pressures are now required to open the valve. There are a few downsides to this quick fix: 1) Overboost protection by way of the DV is no longer available. 2) The diaphragm now sees boost pressure whenever it is present, greatly reducing service life. 3) Slower valve lift, in the past when the valve began to open it would show more of the diaphragm to the high pressure side so the valve lift would increase. Now the area ratio is much smaller giving much less lift effect.
Audi uses the same size DV on K03 and K04 cars so don't worry about flow rate. You can continue to use the stock DV but expect a greater frequency of repair. You can switch to an aftermarket DV but don't expect it to be problem free either (based on my experience with Forge and posts I have see on Bailey).
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Re: Here's the story on the DV… (john s)

great info!
Re: Here's the story on the DV… (john s)

john s: I am continually delighted to see your name in a thread because I know you will present valid, concise, and accurate information. Here is a free
for ya!
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Re: Here's the story on the DV… (john s)

I was considering the Greddy BOV for reliability purposes mostly (running it in DV mode) but as I understand it needs to be adjusted according to the application... Any ideas?
Thanks for the great input here! http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
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How about if i tell u that i could get u a DV for $120.00

Guys i could get u the Turbo xs Valve's for $120.00 they normally go for $169.00 let me know who's interested!
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Re: How about if i tell u that i could get u a DV for $120.00 (Dynamic1.8Turbo)

Gambit, do your self a favor and put a forge on it.
Re: How about if i tell u that i could get u a DV for $120.00 (Valois)

I'll probably end up doing Forge but there's just a little voice in the back of my head (actually a conversation with BillyT) that's telling me to do the Greddy LOL. Still wanted to get some input on how people feel about the different options available out there...
Re: Running K04 at 1.4bar with stock DV??? (tobyc)

I am running the only K04 software GIAC has available.....
I guess version 1
Re: How about if i tell u that i could get u a DV for $120.00 (Gambit)

I like my forge, but Greedy and other similar BOV's have proven themselves in much higher hp cars. If I was you I would be going with the BOV to DV conversion, I will soon.
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Re: How about if i tell u that i could get u a DV for $120.00 (Kode)

More input please
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