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I'm not a fan of vehicle with thick flanks (is that the right term)? Makes them look like they have thunder thighs.

Throw some stippling at it and you have a vehicle with cottage cheese thighs. Picture that while you eat your morning bagel! ;)






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That looks like a 2018 Nissan Sentra from the side. Maybe that's why I've never seen one in person and didn't realize they actually sell them here. In fact if anything I think the Sentra might be more attractive.

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The Treg would certainly be nicer still as it should for $70k+, but I meant that in a general sense, if you want a nice VW sedan that's properly done, you go straight to Arteon, and if you want a nice VW SUV that's properly done, you go straight to Touareg without really looking at the rest of VW's lineup. Someone shopping one could certainly be someone who may cross shop the other, which I guess is what I'm saying...these are the upper crust vehicles of VW's lineup that appeal to well heeled customers who aren't pretentious or badge conscious yet want something screwed together really well and just done properly. I suppose I wasn't clear in that I was referencing equivalency in product portfolio positioning and generally attracting the same pool of well heeled buyers who seek something well made.
Why would the so-called "well heeled buyers" even stop at a VW showroom for an upscale SUV when Audi is right next door with the Q7? Particularly for $70+?
 

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You used to own one of those? Your opinion on design is invalid! :LOL: :LOL:
I ain't gonna lie. I love the Gran Trurismo. :cool:

Hehe my husband still has one and loves it. I do think it's a better vehicle than the contemporary X3.
(y) Your husband has impeccable taste in cars.
 

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Yes the dimensions have been released. But all you have to do is look at it to see it's the same type of vehicle as an Arteon, A5 or Ioniq 6
Where have those dimensions been released? Care to share it as I couldn't find it?

I have looked at it and it certainly don't look like the proportions of a "traditional sedan" but perhaps they are just gone for miniscule wheels similar to a Kadett B.



The only dimensions I've found online says that it will "probably be 1,53m high", which is actually higher than the Citroen C5 (1,503 m high) I compared it with and I thought it would end up with similar proportions as. If true it's also higher than the Polestar 2 I compared with and it's almost as high as the EV6 and the I-pace.
 

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Why would the so-called "well heeled buyers" even stop at a VW showroom for an upscale SUV when Audi is right next door with the Q7? Particularly for $70+?
I don't know, ask someone who bought a Touareg when they were still offered here. Maybe some people just liked the VW more and knew they were still getting a very high quality vehicle.

But by and large they wouldn't and didn't, because Americans are vapid badge whores who buy things to impress people they don't know. Obviously the Touareg was a failure in the US because of your exact sentiment and because VW was clueless that that vehicle played in a lease heavy segment and provided no subsidization via inflated residuals like BMW. The reality is people would rather buy a lower trim, lesser equipped, higher badged car in this country for the same price because the badge is all anyone really cares about even if the badge comes with ugly poverty pizza cutter wheels, leatherette, no ventilated seats, etc. etc. As long as it has that badge to flex on the Karen down the street!

It's well understood Americans by and large have no taste and are badge conscious, which is why we get garbage like the Atlas while the rest of the world gets the Touareg. Everybody in this country/this forum complains about how we don't get the good stuff but when it's actually offered (Touareg, Arteon), etc., people find a reason to **** on it anyway and buy a plastic fantastic $25k Subaru instead.
 

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Where have those dimensions been released? Care to share it as I couldn't find it?

I have looked at it and it certainly don't look like the proportions of a "traditional sedan" but perhaps they are just gone for miniscule wheels similar to a Kadett B.



The only dimensions I've found online says that it will "probably be 1,53m high", which is actually higher than the Citroen C5 (1,503 m high) I compared it with and I thought it would end up with similar proportions as. If true it's also higher than the Polestar 2 I compared with and it's almost as high as the EV6 and the I-pace.

I don't know why people keep posting photos of the disguised prototype when the (almost production) car has already been unveiled.
 

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I don't know why people keep posting photos of the disguised prototype when the (almost production) car has already been unveiled.
That's a concept car and also don't mention the height of this thing. That's where you found the dimensions of the production car? Care to quote the part of the text you found it hidden in?
 

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I'm with GLI Dan. I honestly had no idea the Arteon was even sold here. Yes, functionally the Atlas is their actual flagship model. That's why it's listed - twice in fact - as the flagship vehicle for sale at vw.com:

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Interesting. "Flagship" is a marketing term, what the manufacturer wants you to look to...about its brand for the near future.

Was talking to an aftermarket parts seller a couple days-( forget the name of the service/vw info site? Where you can see actual numbers sold by year...Atlas is about same as Tiguan is now being overtaken by Taos sales...around 16-18000 each iirc?

So Arteon is a very nice sleek poor mans equivalent of an Audi, last of the best of german engineering for smart buyer that VW is known for on the car side. But its a sedan, obviously.

SUVs are what sells, or sold pre gas price inflation shock...in the US to young growing familes that now need third row seating and cargo room to haul pets, groceries, and now camping gear as everyone figured out in covid that getting out in nature is a good thing...witness all the "ruggedized" cladding trim versions to appeal to that, and all the "overlanding" branded gear aftermarket...

And remember, here in the US trucks, are for actual working man buyers, tradesmen, farmers, ranchers, hunters, anyone towing gear, horses, cattle, oil workers. Going long distances vs shorter more old country urban towns withh tight streets and tighter parking...VW buyers are more urban...ya dont see a lot of them in the Home Depot parking lots in flyover country...

Now, in addition because of green subsidies and top down mandates, every car maker is rushing to get in on the EV market.

So, my guess is
We'll be seeing the ID Buzz listed as "flagship" in the press, more
and proof is the recent "buzz" about the concept off-roadish version in EV. Say, Remember when VW ran a off road equipped test bed in the Baja500 3-4 years ago? (Smart engineers there at VW, imho)

Personally it mystifies me why VW is not producing the "California" version of the ICE vanagon update...but thats another thread.

And back to my point: its a business, to make money- who knows in this forum what their actual sales numbers here look like vs other world markets? The info is out there...

I'm guessing the VW accountants and stockholders like to see profits so they make more of what does, "sell, that is here in the US",
and of course, duh, thats different than say,
what sells in Germany. Or ROW.

European kampers were where the VW bus campers came from back in the 60's, all those outdoors obsessed Skandies and Germans going to Spain and Greece for the sun, then all the way down to Africa and elsewhere...

and now there is a renewed interest- covid stay at home led lots of people here in USA to just go out with kids or to the beach and woods and keep it simple...

the Alltrack is a good example- trying to crack the Subaru Outback lifestyle market- great idea, great trim option added on the versatile, tuneable GSW-GTI-R mk7 mqb platform, but after 3-4 years was being outsold by the Atlas SUV...pre covid, soVW dropped in after MY19.
Back to my point on the numbers- ya the Atlas is a lumbering SUV, but it works...
and see now the movement to CUVs...all the covid youngsters who dint have families yet but want one car to do it all, better that the now nearly SUV sized Outbacks, see also Trailsport Honda and now unibody awd pickup-lite runabouts...Ridgelines, SantaFe's Mavericks- next is PHEV...

Anyone notice what happens to towing range on a Ford 150 electric?...🤣

But I digress...

"Make and sell more of what the customer buys is how Toyota got to Number 1 worldwide..."
Ps: dammit Toyota where is the hilux, updated?
Dont make me buy the Colorado ZR2 diesel...
 

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Size: 4975/1897/1528mm, with a 2966mm wheelbase.

That's the final design.
You don't think the production car will have a bigger gap between the wheels and the body? Also, even assumed that the production car will be similarly slammed, that still leaves us with a higher car than the Citroen C5 I compared it. Which is a car that have explicitly designed to be higher and more crossover-like than a ordinary sedan. So in other words I was actually mistaken and this car will be even more crossover-like in terms of proportions than the cars I compared it with. It will be more EV6 than C5.
 

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You don't think the production car will have a bigger gap between the wheels and the body? Also, even assumed that the production car will be similarly slammed, that still leaves us with a higher car than the Citroen C5 I compared it. Which is a car that have explicitly designed to be higher and more crossover-like than a ordinary sedan. So in other words I was actually mistaken and this car will be even more crossover-like in terms of proportions than the cars I compared it with. It will be more EV6 than C5.
The ID Aero is longer and wider than the C5. An S-class is also taller than the C5 - I guess that makes it a cross-over too.
 

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The ID Aero is longer and wider than the C5. An S-class is also taller than the C5 - I guess that makes it a cross-over too.
The current generation Citroen C5 is higher than the current generation Mercedes S-class despite being a much smaller car. That's due to the crossover styling of the C5.

The Id Aero is however considerable higher than both the S-class and the C5 despite being a normal sedan in your view. I would guess it will become the highest "normal sedan" short of a Rolls Royce you can buy in the world when it's released. It's even higher than the EQS behemoth.

It's also worth mentioning that the difference in height between the previous and current gen C5 (which was made into a crossover-like car) is smaller than the difference in height between the Arteon and the ID Aero concept.
 

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I don't know, ask someone who bought a Touareg when they were still offered here. Maybe some people just liked the VW more and knew they were still getting a very high quality vehicle.

But by and large they wouldn't and didn't, because Americans are vapid badge whores who buy things to impress people they don't know. Obviously the Touareg was a failure in the US because of your exact sentiment and because VW was clueless that that vehicle played in a lease heavy segment and provided no subsidization via inflated residuals like BMW. The reality is people would rather buy a lower trim, lesser equipped, higher badged car in this country for the same price because the badge is all anyone really cares about even if the badge comes with ugly poverty pizza cutter wheels, leatherette, no ventilated seats, etc. etc. As long as it has that badge to flex on the Karen down the street!

It's well understood Americans by and large have no taste and are badge conscious, which is why we get garbage like the Atlas while the rest of the world gets the Touareg. Everybody in this country/this forum complains about how we don't get the good stuff but when it's actually offered (Touareg, Arteon), etc., people find a reason to **** on it anyway and buy a plastic fantastic $25k Subaru instead.
"because Americans are vapid badge whores who buy things to impress people they don't know. "
"It's well understood Americans by and large have no taste and are badge conscious,"
Spoken like a hater...
Or is it just casual trash talking to make you feel superior?
Did you just insult about half of the readership here?
Cuz...it seems like it.
 

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"because Americans are vapid badge whores who buy things to impress people they don't know. "
"It's well understood Americans by and large have no taste and are badge conscious,"
Spoken like a hater...
Or is it just casual trash talking to make you feel superior?
Did you just insult about half of the readership here?
Cuz...it seems like it.
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The subpar product offerings for the American market shows that we demand less, and get less. Accept reality that Americans are tasteless, auto manufacturers already have. Don't act so aghast.
 

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I don't know, ask someone who bought a Touareg when they were still offered here. Maybe some people just liked the VW more and knew they were still getting a very high quality vehicle.

But by and large they wouldn't and didn't, because Americans are vapid badge whores who buy things to impress people they don't know. Obviously the Touareg was a failure in the US because of your exact sentiment and because VW was clueless that that vehicle played in a lease heavy segment and provided no subsidization via inflated residuals like BMW. The reality is people would rather buy a lower trim, lesser equipped, higher badged car in this country for the same price because the badge is all anyone really cares about even if the badge comes with ugly poverty pizza cutter wheels, leatherette, no ventilated seats, etc. etc. As long as it has that badge to flex on the Karen down the street!

It's well understood Americans by and large have no taste and are badge conscious, which is why we get garbage like the Atlas while the rest of the world gets the Touareg. Everybody in this country/this forum complains about how we don't get the good stuff but when it's actually offered (Touareg, Arteon), etc., people find a reason to **** on it anyway and buy a plastic fantastic $25k Subaru instead.
Easy duder. You're acting all angry again like you were a while back. No need to be an aggressive hater. There are vapid badge whores everywhere, not just America. :)

Some Europeans are choosing a Polo-sized 94 hp Audi with an old 5-speed and 15" wheels instead of something better from a lesser brand.
 
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