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Some interesting stuff (if it's all true).
Some interesting stuff (if it's all true).
Some Mk1 history tidbits I wasn't aware of...
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Re: Some Mk1 history tidbits I wasn't aware of... (mk216v)
The US Factory Bumpers didn't make the '83-'84 GTI 140 lbs heavier. The GTI bumpers were Aluminum & most had light weight non shock brackets. The older steel US bumpers & shock brackets where much heavier. The door impact beams added a few pounds. The US carpet & sound deading added a few pounds too, but I can't see 140 lbs total.
The US Factory Bumpers didn't make the '83-'84 GTI 140 lbs heavier. The GTI bumpers were Aluminum & most had light weight non shock brackets. The older steel US bumpers & shock brackets where much heavier. The door impact beams added a few pounds. The US carpet & sound deading added a few pounds too, but I can't see 140 lbs total.
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Re: Some Mk1 history tidbits I wasn't aware of... (531sb2)
85 max for all of that stuff on the US GTi..after removal and weighing..that's about what i saw in loss.
85 max for all of that stuff on the US GTi..after removal and weighing..that's about what i saw in loss.
Re: Some Mk1 history tidbits I wasn't aware of... (Vegeta Gti)
There are a few facts that are incorrect in the article.
-round-headlight rabbits. All Rabbits up to 79/80 had round headlights.
-wider track of the GTI? Due to the wheels maybe. The A-arms and rear beam are the same as a non-GTI Rabbit
-pronounced fender flairs?
If you're going to go thru the effort to write an article on the subject, why use a modified car in the photos? And why not use a car that had been washed recently....
-Dave
There are a few facts that are incorrect in the article.
-round-headlight rabbits. All Rabbits up to 79/80 had round headlights.
-wider track of the GTI? Due to the wheels maybe. The A-arms and rear beam are the same as a non-GTI Rabbit
-pronounced fender flairs?
If you're going to go thru the effort to write an article on the subject, why use a modified car in the photos? And why not use a car that had been washed recently....
-Dave
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i could be wrong but i beleive the article was talking about the increase in weight from the MK1 to the MK2.
i could be wrong but i beleive the article was talking about the increase in weight from the MK1 to the MK2.
Re: FV-QR (EzekielGTi)
no.....it isnt.
edit: American-market Mk 1 Golfs were called Rabbits; the Golf name wasn't adopted in the U.S. until the Mk 2 appeared as a 1985 model. Thanks in part to the 5-mph (8-kph) bumpers required by federal safety standards, the U.S. GTI was some 140 lb (64 kg) heavier than its European counterpart, which made the Rabbit GTI's power deficit that much more apparent.
no.....it isnt.
edit: American-market Mk 1 Golfs were called Rabbits; the Golf name wasn't adopted in the U.S. until the Mk 2 appeared as a 1985 model. Thanks in part to the 5-mph (8-kph) bumpers required by federal safety standards, the U.S. GTI was some 140 lb (64 kg) heavier than its European counterpart, which made the Rabbit GTI's power deficit that much more apparent.
Re: FV-QR (OLD-GTI)
Could they be talking of the weight difference between US built mk1s and german built cars? There were NO german built US GTi's, and I would imagine that ALL euro GTi's were built in germany, so it's not an apples to apples comparison.
Other things that come to mind.
4 spd vs 5 spd
early mech CIS 1.6 vs smogged CIS 1.8 w/ cat conv, etc
13s vs 14s
no flares vs flares
Could they be talking of the weight difference between US built mk1s and german built cars? There were NO german built US GTi's, and I would imagine that ALL euro GTi's were built in germany, so it's not an apples to apples comparison.
Other things that come to mind.
4 spd vs 5 spd
early mech CIS 1.6 vs smogged CIS 1.8 w/ cat conv, etc
13s vs 14s
no flares vs flares
Re: FV-QR (g60vw)
um....a european spec 1984 gti had a 1.8, 5spd, and were available w/14's.
140 is probably a close estimate. bumpers weigh another 25-30lbs, 40-45lbs of sound deadening, 50lbs worth of emissions and a/c (which most u.s. gti's had)
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| Could they be talking of the weight difference between US built mk1s and german built cars? There were NO german built US GTi's, and I would imagine that ALL euro GTi's were built in germany, so it's not an apples to apples comparison. Other things that come to mind. 4 spd vs 5 spd early mech CIS 1.6 vs smogged CIS 1.8 w/ cat conv, etc 13s vs 14s no flares vs flares |
um....a european spec 1984 gti had a 1.8, 5spd, and were available w/14's.
140 is probably a close estimate. bumpers weigh another 25-30lbs, 40-45lbs of sound deadening, 50lbs worth of emissions and a/c (which most u.s. gti's had)
Re: Some Mk1 history tidbits I wasn't aware of... (4000stq)
I didn't say all the info was correct.
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Just some other info (design-wise and such) I hadn't heard of before.
Correct.
I didn't say all the info was correct.
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| 79 gas had squares, diesel had rounds, 80 all squares |
Correct.
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Re: Some Mk1 history tidbits I wasn't aware of... (4000stq)
Some '78 gas cars had squares too. Part of the ramp up to full production at the Westmoreland plant.
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| 79 gas had squares, diesel had rounds, 80 all squares |
Some '78 gas cars had squares too. Part of the ramp up to full production at the Westmoreland plant.
Re: Some Mk1 history tidbits I wasn't aware of... (Kevin Rowley)
production at Westmorland did not begin until july 1978. there were no 78 model year Westmorland rabbits. all 1978 model year cars were German production.
Modified by 4000stq at 10:08 PM 2-24-2010
| Quote, originally posted by Kevin Rowley » |
Some '78 gas cars had squares too. Part of the ramp up to full production at the Westmoreland plant. |
production at Westmorland did not begin until july 1978. there were no 78 model year Westmorland rabbits. all 1978 model year cars were German production.
Modified by 4000stq at 10:08 PM 2-24-2010
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Re: Some Mk1 history tidbits I wasn't aware of... (4000stq)
The parents of a girl I knew in high school bought her a Rabbit C, baby blue with blue interior and square headlights in late summer of 1978. The title read "1978 model year" and the registration did as well.
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| production at Westmorland did not begin until july 1978. there were no 78 model year Westmorland rabbits. all 1978 model year cars were German production. |
The parents of a girl I knew in high school bought her a Rabbit C, baby blue with blue interior and square headlights in late summer of 1978. The title read "1978 model year" and the registration did as well.
Re: Some Mk1 history tidbits I wasn't aware of... (Kevin Rowley)
"In July of '78, VW started production of the 1979 Rabbit in a new plant it had built (using the shell of an old Chrysler plant as a base) in Westmoreland, Pennsylvania. Volkswagen became the first foreign manufacturer to establish a significant production base in the U.S., opening the door for Honda, Toyota and just about every other German manufacturer to follow."
from here- http://www.edmunds.com/volkswa....html
edit- further more, i would be willing to bet that the VIN on your friends car would reflect that it was a 1979.
Modified by 4000stq at 4:08 PM 2-25-2010
"In July of '78, VW started production of the 1979 Rabbit in a new plant it had built (using the shell of an old Chrysler plant as a base) in Westmoreland, Pennsylvania. Volkswagen became the first foreign manufacturer to establish a significant production base in the U.S., opening the door for Honda, Toyota and just about every other German manufacturer to follow."
from here- http://www.edmunds.com/volkswa....html
edit- further more, i would be willing to bet that the VIN on your friends car would reflect that it was a 1979.
Modified by 4000stq at 4:08 PM 2-25-2010
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Re: Some Mk1 history tidbits I wasn't aware of... (4000stq)
4000stq further more said:
Re: Some Mk1 history tidbits I wasn't aware of... (Kevin Rowley)
WOW!I transfered to VW Headquarters in Englewood Cliffs N.J. 1/1/78 as a member of the team that put together the after production parts supply/support for the Westmoreland Rabbit which was to begin for the 1979 model year.That said I would not be suprised if the first ones built were 78s.The Americans wanted to build asap and the Germans wanted to keep initial control.As a matter of fact the first ones built were basically one big Engineering deviation.All initial parts had to come from Production until the vendor could get Engineering approval.I could probably go on with stories for hours but I won't.There are a couple of people who know the answer and I will try and locate them.I'll post when I do!
WOW!I transfered to VW Headquarters in Englewood Cliffs N.J. 1/1/78 as a member of the team that put together the after production parts supply/support for the Westmoreland Rabbit which was to begin for the 1979 model year.That said I would not be suprised if the first ones built were 78s.The Americans wanted to build asap and the Germans wanted to keep initial control.As a matter of fact the first ones built were basically one big Engineering deviation.All initial parts had to come from Production until the vendor could get Engineering approval.I could probably go on with stories for hours but I won't.There are a couple of people who know the answer and I will try and locate them.I'll post when I do!
Re: Some Mk1 history tidbits I wasn't aware of... (slats)
Please share your valuable info when you can. Thank you!!
| Quote, originally posted by slats » |
| WOW!I transfered to VW Headquarters in Englewood Cliffs N.J. 1/1/78 as a member of the team that put together the after production parts supply/support for the Westmoreland Rabbit which was to begin for the 1979 model year.That said I would not be suprised if the first ones built were 78s.The Americans wanted to build asap and the Germans wanted to keep initial control.As a matter of fact the first ones built were basically one big Engineering deviation.All initial parts had to come from Production until the vendor could get Engineering approval.I could probably go on with stories for hours but I won't.There are a couple of people who know the answer and I will try and locate them.I'll post when I do! |
Please share your valuable info when you can. Thank you!!
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