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Re: Spark plugs - pulse technology (uberMaben)

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Irrelevant argument. Auto manufacturers fall over themselves enough as it is to cut costs.

Sorry but I totally disagree. Certainly auto manufacturers look to cut costs but they will do a cost-benefit analysis with a strong eye towards reducing fuel consumption. This is especially true today as it has been over the last 10 to 20 years. If the plugs really helped improve fuel economy, it would be installed in every new car engine in the USA if not the world.
 

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Re: Spark plugs - pulse technology (spockcat)

I just got a call from Nathan at Enerpulse. They have completed the tests and will be picking me up in about a half hour. He said the results were very positive and that I should be able to feel the difference in acelleration right away. Based on what he said regarding fuel economy, I will get my money's worth from these plugs.
I don't have the results in hand yet, but I will get them when he brings the car. I may or may not be able to get them out tonight. (My boring meetings have taken their toll on me and I am probably going to sip some Oban and watch some TV.)
Some of your comments are offensive to me, and not considerate of the fact that I have volunteered to be a guinea pig and am not a corporate shill. Some of you don't deserve the time I have taken to do the research and pay the $200 bucks for these plugs.
For all of you who choose to poo-poo the idea that a new technology plug can improve gas mileage, horspower and torque, I hope your gasoline prices double.
 

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Re: Spark plugs - pulse technology (true snowboards)

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subscribed for real world test results.
 

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Re: Spark plugs - pulse technology (VDUBber91)

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Subscribed. I want to see the numbers.
 

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Re: Spark plugs - pulse technology (mode12)

Okay. Nathan brought the car back to me at my office in downtown Albuquerque. He gave me the Dyno and fuel consumption results. More on that later. Here is the shocker. The average MPG gauge on the dash had been showing 41.5 miles per gallon driving to and from work, mainly, before the car went to Enerpulse this morning. That drive is 10 miles each way going from 5500 feet to 4900 feet in altitude and back to 5500 feet.
I reset the gauge while sitting in front of the office, at 4900 feet. I then drove home, up hill. When I turned the car off in my driveway, at 5500 feet, the gauge read 42.3 mpg. I normally get 38.5 mpg on that leg of the trip.
I will beat you to the punch by saying that is a very small sample and warrants more data. I will admit that the car was slightly warmer to start with than when it has been sitting in the parking garage all day, but not much. However, 3.8 mpg improvement, up hill is way more that I would expect from having a warm car.
I will, of course, keep track of the usage at the pump, as I normally do. (It is always a little higher than what the gauge says.) I will track it through several tankfulls and keep you posted.
Now for the Dyno results. Sorry, I have been asked not to post them. They are very positive and Nathan wants to do some more testing and probably some independent testing on Civic Hybrids, before they are released. I will tell you that Nathan ran 8 separate runs with each set of plugs and what he gave me was the best performance of the iridiums versus the worst performance of the Pulstars. All I can say at this time is that the results were much better than I expected. I will talk to Nathan and try to get a better sense of what I can give you and what I can't, but at this point, I think my personal mileage experience is all I can give you.
My car has never, over 21,000 miles, gotten the kind of mileage that the EPA has said it gets. I know that some of that is due to the way the EPA tested it. I suspect that part of it is due to the high altitude. From what I saw on the cars gauge today, over that 10 mile stretch, up hill, I suspect that my average mileage will be much closer to the 49 mpg that the EPA says. In fact, at the 6.8 mile mark of my trip, at the corner of San Mateo and Osuna, the gauge read 48.8 mpg. It was only on the slow climb up Academy that the mileage started dropping off.
At this point, I am tickled pink with my investment.
(I wish I could give you the Dyno results, but I promised.)
 

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Re: Spark plugs - pulse technology (SnowGTI2003)

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How about this gem?


Why not post a picture of cyclotron, it is just about as relavent to the average car owner?
 

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Re: Spark plugs - pulse technology (CivicHybrid)

You can't just tell us the previous best peak HP with iridiums and then the best peak HP with the new plugs?
 

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Re: (xkrn_boix)

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so...
how much did Enerpulse pay you??
jk jk
thanks for being our guinea pig! much appreciated

Enerpulse installed the plugs for me. I have receipts for the $200 + tax that I paid for the plugs. Enerpulse not only did not pay me, they did not top off the tank before they brought it back. They ran a total of 16 Dyno runs with it and didn't even give me $0.50 per mile.
 

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Re: (GT17V)

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so, do you know if the Enerpulse plugs are indexed like the OEM Honda plugs?

I have no clue. What I was surprised at, as was Nathan, was that Honda put Denso Iridum SK20HPR-L11 plugs on one side and NGK IR ILFR6J 11K plugs pn the other. If that is what you mean by indexing, no the Pulstars are all DG1 plugs.
 

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indexing is pretty much making sure that all the electrodes face the same direction. Indexing is one of the methods to extract additional efficiency, but it is a PITA to do. Honda painstakingly has their plugs manufacturered for for easy indexing at the dealership (or the home mechanic).
 

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Re: Spark plugs - pulse technology (CivicHybrid)

So they took your car somewhere behind closed doors, dyno'd it which you didn't see, then did something, and then dyno'd it again which you also didn't see?
And you paid 200 dollars for spark plugs?!
Dude, you are getting ripped off. Seriously , these people are stealing money from you.
What you should do is stand there, watch your car on the dyno, never let it leave the rollers, and change the plugs out, a few times, and record the results. This would be at least slightly scientific.
It is soooo easy to fudge dyno results. One minor change in the computer setting for tire diameter will move the whole graph around nicely.
You are getting screwed.
 

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But then again upping the power in a Civic Hybrid is pointless so if you're truly getting better gas mileage that's all that counts. I still think the entire thing is kinda fishy.
 

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Re: Spark plugs - pulse technology (1320-20V)

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So they took your car somewhere behind closed doors, dyno'd it which you didn't see, then did something, and then dyno'd it again which you also didn't see?
And you paid 200 dollars for spark plugs?!
Dude, you are getting ripped off. Seriously , these people are stealing money from you.
What you should do is stand there, watch your car on the dyno, never let it leave the rollers, and change the plugs out, a few times, and record the results. This would be at least slightly scientific.
It is soooo easy to fudge dyno results. One minor change in the computer setting for tire diameter will move the whole graph around nicely.
You are getting screwed.

I am not saying you are wrong. You are obviously very intelligent. So, tell me how they changed the MPG computer to read a higher MPG than I have been getting? And tell me how, when I put less gas in the tank after I have driven it a while, did they pull that off? And when my Shell bill comes in lower, how did they do that? And that extra power I felt when accellerating up the hill this afternoon, how did they do that?
You are not dealing with a guy that gets conned. I am 61 years old and have raised 3 children. I have access to casinos all around me, and never set foot in them. As I said earlier, if something doesn't pass the Total Resource Cost test, I am not going to buy it. I don't know yet that these plugs will pass the TRC test, but I should know after a few fill-ups.
 

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Re: (xkrn_boix)

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haha
i believe they should have at least gave u the spark plugs for FREE

They might have done that if I had not already purchased the plugs before I contacted them. They gave the plugs to the guy with the S2000.
 
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