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SOLVED - FRONT SUSPENSION NOISE - AKA "The Squeak"
VW MK5 / MK6 PQ35 & PQ46


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Solo Werks in conjunction with 034Motorsport is pleased to announce the release of the MK5 / MK6 Density Line Upper Strut Mounts.

Solo Werks has been working with 034Motorsport to solve the front suspension squeak that many of you are experiencing on your aftermarket suspension equipped VW MK5 / MK6 PQ35 & PQ46 vehicles.






$99.90 per Pair
Free Shipping for a limited time only!!!! (continental USA only! - see cart for details)
Optional OEM Bearings can be purchased at time of order - contact us for more information

Click Here to purchase directly from our website

Full details including video on this noise in the next post :thumbup:

Let us know if you have any questions.

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SOLVED - FRONT SUSPENSION NOISE
VW MK5 / MK6 PQ35 & PQ46


History
Many of you will be aware of the long and colored history of VW/Audi’s top mounts/bushings, including the last version in the MK4 platform which was one of the more failure prone designs, and were most likely quite relieved when the new design was released.

The MK5/MK6 design is great in many ways in comparison to older versions, mainly due to fact that it takes the full weight of the vehicle onto the main body/strut tower surface upon which the bearing for the spring rotation sits, mounted to the shock tower of the vehicle. This eliminates past design failings of the inner cage of the rubber mount itself allowing the bearing to recede up and into the rubber rendering the bearing useless and creating coil bind as the shock/spring assembly rotates.

The only floating part of the design is attached to the shock absorber rod itself, which has only the force generated by the shock being applied to it, which is only a fraction of the weight of the vehicle on the bearing and the rest of the mount.

Current Issue
Customers have been reporting that during low speed movement of the suspension, such as:

  • Pulling out of a driveway
  • During slow driving on mildly rough surfaces


That a “medium to high pitched squeaking noise” is coming from the front suspension. Some report this only on one side, some both. Others have this only for the first few minutes of driving and then it disappears even over the same conditions as if something is "warming up". Others report it is a constant noise and does not dissipate.



VW MK5 / MK6 Suspension Noise Video

Click the image above to view the You Tube video that we had taken of a customer’s car with brand “R” coilovers with the original top mounts.

The customer had reported that the drivers side only had made this noise immediately after installation of the coilovers. Passenger side has never made noise.

Testing
Solo Werks has brought in a few Solo Werks coilovers kits that had reported the noise and performed installations and tests on new vehicles with these kits as well as suspension systems from other manufacturers. We have been able to replicate the findings of our customers on all tested systems on the same vehicle, with various mounts used at various heights.

For testing we have acquired new and used versions of OEM VW and Aftermarket Reproduction mounts and bearings from various companies as well as mounts that reported noises and others that reported no noise.

After our extensive research into the problem and comparison of samples of mounts that have reported noises vs. mounts that reported no noise, we have been able to isolate the sound to the inner portion of the mount creating friction on the rubber portion of the mount.



VW OEM Brochure on the New Mount Design




OEM mount split into its 3 core components

Mount Design

The factory mount design is made up of 3 main components (Above 2 images)

  • Main Triangular steel impregnated rubber mount
  • Upper Rod Mount Cup
  • Lower Rod Mount/Bump stop Mount Cup


After dissection of a squeaking mount and a non-squeaking mount, it appears that there are two differences:


  • The durometer of the rubber mount
  • The level of adhesion of the metal to the rubber during the assembly process (Figure 2 & 3)
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The mount that did not squeak was not only a harder rubber durometer, but was also still adhered to the rubber when cut apart, whereas the noisy mount fell apart as if it was never adhered at all.

During subsequent deconstructions, measurements and discussions with OEM mount manufacturers, it has been discovered that many of the mounts were manufactured with lower durometer rubber , and the process was never intended to have the center cups vulcanized to the rubber. The crimp and friction level coupled with the inner canal design was to hold the center cup assembly in place.

Conclusion
When the higher forces of a performance suspension damper are applied to the center cup of the factory mount, the cup is moving inside the rubber mount creating the noise.

OEM dampers do not apply the same forces to the mount, and therefore does not create the noise.

Solution
034Motorsport was approached by Solo Werks to produce a Density Line mount for this platform to provide relief to the MK5/MK6 owners that are suffering from this annoying situation and we are proud to announce the availability of this solution to the marketplace.

The new Mount Design is not only constructed using harder durometer rubber, but is also Vulcanized so there is no cavities or ridges and therefore no movement other than the rubber itself flexing.


Cutaway of the current 034motorsports Density Line mount
 

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Do you have a set that is camber adjustable?
Not yet, but they are working on it :)

As soon as they are ready to go, we will be posting!

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Glen @ AMI
 

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Thank you to everyone who sent in questions and the overwhelming amount of orders:thumbup:

It seems that the noise is more prevalent than we thought!

All orders that came in before noon pacific time today have been shipped, and tracking should be updated in the next hour!

Let us know if you have any questions.

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Thanks again for all the PM's and Emails on the new Mounts

Just a few points that I would like to put out there based on the questions we have been receiving:

1. These are factory replacement units - no modifications are needed.
Simply remove your factory units
Separate the bearing/upper spring perch from the mount
Install the bearing/upper spring perch in the new mount
Install back on your suspension​

*Note - Make sure that you install the mounts with the arrow on the top of the mount pointing front to back. As the Factory VW image in the second post states - The mount is specially designed to allow for more movement back to front, and be more rigid in the Later Movement.

2. Better Handling
The increased rubber hardness of the new mount will allow the shock absorber a more positive attachment point - which will bring out the real tuning of your suspension, improving the performance of your suspension system!

3. Direct Factory Replacement

As they are the same dimensions, they will not change the height of your vehicle

4. Sold as a Pair
We currently only offer them as a Pair of mounts - which is a vehicle set to do left and right. We do not recommend only using one as it would feel unbalanced, but contact us if you still wish to purchase a single.

5. Compatible with Every Suspension
As they are a factory replacement, they will work with ANY SUSPENSION SYSTEM that uses the factory mount/bearing including Factory Shocks and Springs.

6. Factory Alignment
There is no additional adjustment available for alignment.

Thanks again to everyone who has ordered this week!

All orders have been shipped, and tracking numbers provided via email.

Have a great weekend and let us know if there is anything we can do for you.


Thanks,
Glen @ AMI
 

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Another Busy day of shipping at AMI!!!

All mount orders from the weekend have been shipped, and tracking numbers are being entered into our system in the next hour.

We look forward to hearing your noise eliminating success stories once you get these installed :thumbup:

Thanks,
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It is not wise to upset Darth Kitty ;)

One more day until the weekend!


We are running a bit early today at the warehouse, so all orders that are in have been processed and are ready for UPS/FedEx pickup.

Don't forget that we can bundle in the Boeshield T-9 Anti Corrosion spray for your coilovers to any order to winter proof your setup!

Let us know if you have any questions!

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Welcome to the Weekend - Time for some Fun!

Thanks to everyone who has sent in their questions and orders this week - All orders are filled and on their way to their new homes :)

We will be visiting the SEMA show in Las Vegas for the majority of next week, but not to worry you orders will still be filled and we will try to post up some VW content and any interesting new products as we find it on the show floor.

Thanks,
Glen @ AMI :beer::beer:
 

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Just a quick update from Solo Werks - the reviews have started coming in. This is directly from the Solo Werks website/webshop:

Product Reviews

VW MKVI Upper Strut Mount


Posted by Flip on 3rd Nov 2012

I was enduring the noise of my new coilovers when I heard about these. I ordered on a Monday afternoon and they arrived Wednesday. The shop that installed them did not think they would solve the noise problem. I was optomistic. Now they have been on for over a hundred miles and the ride is smooth and quiet. The steering felt more responsive as well. I recommend 034 Density Strut Mounts to those whose suspension is squeaking when going over bumps and knocking when steering.


Let us know if you have any questions :beer:

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Another Day, another pallet of orders on the way out!

Thanks again to everyone who has placed their orders for the Solo Werks / 034motorsport mount kits!

We continue to be amazed on how many of you have this noise, and the range of different suspension systems that are being run out there without any posted threads of noise complaints....

For those of you who had open orders, you should already have tracking numbers in your inbox (check your spam folder just in case).

Also, please take care that you install your new mounts with the arrow's on the top of the mount pointing front to rear - installing them incorrectly will result in increased wear on the mounts!

Let us know if you have any questions, we look forward to hearing from you.

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Thursday Bump!

Thanks again to everyone for their PM's and email questions on the Solo Werks / 034motorsport mounts!

Every day we are getting more and more calls from happy customers that their cars are now noise free!

Post up your experience :thumbup:

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If you see this button over the weekend- PRESS IT!!!!

Thanks again to every one who has placed an order with AMI!

All PM's, emails and orders have been answered / processed and replies / tracking numbers are already in your inbox's :cool:

Have a great weekend and for those of you who have Monday off - Have a Great Long Weekend :beer:

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I think we found the Problem....

Thanks to everyone for their patience this week - our internet service apparently wants to break for Thanksgiving early LOL. We are now back with full facilities - not just iPads and phones ;) :banghead:

Not to worry though, all orders have been processed and shipped out with minimal delays, and we have finally caught up with all your PM's and emails.

Let us know if you have any questions :thumbup:

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Its Friday - Last one out has Guard duty ;)

After a long week of internet issues and non stop fun - TGIF!

All orders, PM's and emails have been processed and tracking numbers have been sent.

Have a great weekend, and feel free to send us a message if you have any questions.

Thanks,
Glen @ AMI :beer:
 

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We hope everyone had a great weekend!


Our staff is coming in a bit early this week to ensure we are ahead of the game with the upcoming USA Thanksgiving at the end of the week.

All orders have been processed and are on the dock awaiting UPS/FedEx pickup - tracking numbers should already be in your inbox. Let us know if you have any questions.

AMI will be closed for Thanksgiving on Thursday and Friday to give our staff a much deserved break.

As always we are here to answer your questions 9-5 Pacific time during the rest of the week - and after hours via PM or email.

Thanks,
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So..Pick up any cool Gadgets on Black Friday ;)

We had quite a few questions over the long weekend about special Black Friday pricing - but who needs special One Day pricing when we already offer the lowest prices possible All Year Round :beer:

All orders that were received over the weekend were processed and shipped out on Monday and are well on their way to their new owners :)

Thanks!
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Question of the Day - LOL

Thanks again to everyone who has sent in their questions and of course orders!

All shipping is done for the day and tracking information is being uploaded as I type this :thumbup:

Thanks!
Glen @ AMI :beer:
 
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