Yeah I know. The Mondial has always been an unloved Ferrari but I've always liked this model in cabriolet form. And having seen a pristine example just this afternoon reminded me just how much I've always like the Mondial.
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The Archive - 1991 Ferrari Mondial t - with Valeo automatic clutch
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Re: The Archive - 1991 Ferrari Mondial t - with Valeo automatic clutch (MEIN_VW)
Interesting... The first time I heard of/considered the possibility of a clutch pedal-less manual, this is what came to mind but I didn't know anyone had ever made one. Was this attempted in any other models?
Interesting... The first time I heard of/considered the possibility of a clutch pedal-less manual, this is what came to mind but I didn't know anyone had ever made one. Was this attempted in any other models?
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Re: The Archive - 1991 Ferrari Mondial t - with Valeo automatic clutch (TJSwoboda)
I thought there was a VW beetle in the seventies that has an "Automatic-stickshift" or something like that? I know back in High School a teacher had one. I can't recall exactly what it said on the back, the best I remember was "Automatic Stick" or something???
| Quote, originally posted by TJSwoboda » |
| Interesting... The first time I heard of/considered the possibility of a clutch pedal-less manual, this is what came to mind but I didn't know anyone had ever made one. Was this attempted in any other models? |
I thought there was a VW beetle in the seventies that has an "Automatic-stickshift" or something like that? I know back in High School a teacher had one. I can't recall exactly what it said on the back, the best I remember was "Automatic Stick" or something???
Re: The Archive - 1991 Ferrari Mondial t - with Valeo automatic clutch (MEIN_VW)
I remember seeing this back on the show "Beyond 2000" when my parents first got cable. I wish they could do something like this with modern f1/dual clutch setups. Part of the joy of driving a car, for me at least, is shifting through the gears, but in traffic constantly pushing in the clutch every 10 feet can get annoying. Flappy-paddle setups, while they may have technical advantages, just don't have that thrill. Same is said with manumatics that use a for/aft or side/side movement to manually change gears. I would think it would be easy to set up on a dual-clutch car, since there is no actual gear linkage as everything is electronic anyway. It may need some sort of lockout to prevent skipping gears, but it doesn't seem impossible.
I remember seeing this back on the show "Beyond 2000" when my parents first got cable. I wish they could do something like this with modern f1/dual clutch setups. Part of the joy of driving a car, for me at least, is shifting through the gears, but in traffic constantly pushing in the clutch every 10 feet can get annoying. Flappy-paddle setups, while they may have technical advantages, just don't have that thrill. Same is said with manumatics that use a for/aft or side/side movement to manually change gears. I would think it would be easy to set up on a dual-clutch car, since there is no actual gear linkage as everything is electronic anyway. It may need some sort of lockout to prevent skipping gears, but it doesn't seem impossible.
Re: The Archive - 1991 Ferrari Mondial t - with Valeo automatic clutch (TJSwoboda)
You mean like VW's DSG, Porsche's PDK or BMW's SMG? They don't have a conventional manual shifter, but they're all manual gearboxes with with automatic clutches.
| Quote, originally posted by TJSwoboda » |
| Interesting... The first time I heard of/considered the possibility of a clutch pedal-less manual, this is what came to mind but I didn't know anyone had ever made one. Was this attempted in any other models? |
You mean like VW's DSG, Porsche's PDK or BMW's SMG? They don't have a conventional manual shifter, but they're all manual gearboxes with with automatic clutches.
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Re: The Archive - 1991 Ferrari Mondial t - with Valeo automatic clutch (CarGuru916)
yep - my grandfather had one of those autostick beetles. they used them in some porshes, too.
| Quote, originally posted by CarGuru916 » |
| I thought there was a VW beetle in the seventies that has an "Automatic-stickshift" or something like that? I know back in High School a teacher had one. I can't recall exactly what it said on the back, the best I remember was "Automatic Stick" or something??? |
yep - my grandfather had one of those autostick beetles. they used them in some porshes, too.
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Re: The Archive - 1991 Ferrari Mondial t - with Valeo automatic clutch (MEIN_VW)
that's not what he meant, we're talking about an automated clutch - manual shift, where you actually have to shift a lever through a traditional shift gate.
| Quote, originally posted by MEIN_VW » |
| You mean like VW's DSG, Porsche's PDK or BMW's SMG? They don't have a conventional manual shifter, but they're all manual gearboxes with with automatic clutches. |
that's not what he meant, we're talking about an automated clutch - manual shift, where you actually have to shift a lever through a traditional shift gate.
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There was a thread on here about some SAABs that had the same type of system...I forgot the name...
Re: The Archive - 1991 Ferrari Mondial t - with Valeo automatic clutch (Rabbit5GTI)
Oh I know that. But I don't think automakers see much point in that when that would result in slower shifts. The whole point is get the car to shift faster.
Personally I always liked the idea of the Valeo clutch since it kept the traditional Ferrari shifter.
| Quote, originally posted by Rabbit5GTI » |
that's not what he meant, we're talking about an automated clutch - manual shift, where you actually have to shift a lever through a traditional shift gate. |
Oh I know that. But I don't think automakers see much point in that when that would result in slower shifts. The whole point is get the car to shift faster.
Personally I always liked the idea of the Valeo clutch since it kept the traditional Ferrari shifter.
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Re: The Archive - 1991 Ferrari Mondial t - with Valeo automatic clutch (MEIN_VW)
i agree completely, but when these systems were developed/sold, the new technology wasn't there yet. even if back then they weren't faster than a traditional manual, the novelty and convenience was probably enough to sell them.
...until they all started to self-destruct
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| Quote, originally posted by MEIN_VW » |
| Oh I know that. But I don't think automakers see much point in that when that would result in slower shifts. The whole point is get the car to shift faster. Personally I always liked the idea of the Valeo clutch since it kept the traditional Ferrari shifter. |
i agree completely, but when these systems were developed/sold, the new technology wasn't there yet. even if back then they weren't faster than a traditional manual, the novelty and convenience was probably enough to sell them.
...until they all started to self-destruct
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Re: The Archive - 1991 Ferrari Mondial t - with Valeo automatic clutch (TJSwoboda)
I always think of the Saab Sensonic when I think of clutchless H-gate shifters. Never seen one even though I met a guy with one (he was always in his hot, nude-model wife's R32
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). Cool technology.
Mein_VW....thanks again for another kickass mag-scan thread http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
| Quote, originally posted by TJSwoboda » |
| Interesting... The first time I heard of/considered the possibility of a clutch pedal-less manual, this is what came to mind but I didn't know anyone had ever made one. Was this attempted in any other models? |
Mein_VW....thanks again for another kickass mag-scan thread http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
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Re: The Archive - 1991 Ferrari Mondial t - with Valeo automatic clutch (Rabbit5GTI)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccm2L8krtcU http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccm2L8krtcU http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
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Re: The Archive - 1991 Ferrari Mondial t - with Valeo automatic clutch (mikegilbert)
you never appreciate how much plastic surgery Jeremy Clarkson has had until you see his "pre-op" clips
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Re: The Archive - 1991 Ferrari Mondial t - with Valeo automatic clutch (CarGuru916)
It's in the 3rd page of the OPs scanned article, called Sportomatic http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
| Quote, originally posted by CarGuru916 » |
I thought there was a VW beetle in the seventies that has an "Automatic-stickshift" or something like that? I know back in High School a teacher had one. I can't recall exactly what it said on the back, the best I remember was "Automatic Stick" or something??? |
It's in the 3rd page of the OPs scanned article, called Sportomatic http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
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A little known fact is that there was one F40 made with the valeo clutch as well.
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Sensonic.
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| There was a thread on here about some SAABs that had the same type of system...I forgot the name... |
Sensonic.
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Sweet! I really like the Mondial T. Looks really nice. Those Valeo Trans are very rare!
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Whoa!
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