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Retardation at its finest. GM's management deserves to burn for its utter stupidity. There goes yet another 100 year old American company......actually 2 at the end of this mess.
GM is confident it can manage Chrysler brands
"As General Motors Corp. executives work on what a possible merger with Chrysler LLC would look like, they apparently are not discouraged by the idea of adding more brands or dealers to the automaker's business, key factors that analysts have been criticizing.
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If a merger is consummated, Chrysler's brands would become just like Chevrolet, Pontiac and Buick, people familiar with the situation tell the Free Press.
Conflicting brands could be dealt with in a few years after this industry turmoil has passed, one of these people added.
Another concern raised by analysts and other observers regards the addition of 3,500 Chrysler dealers into GM's already over-dealered network.
One person told the Free Press that those "excess dealers" would cost GM nothing in the short-term and that some -- if not many -- will fail on their own anyway.
Such a combination and digestion strategy would be in line with GM's origin and its 100-year history of buying other brands and car companies to provide a product for every purse and purpose.
There is no certainty yet that any deal will come to pass. Smaller ventures or deals with other automakers could be pursued. But a straight-out combination of operations is the assumed model for GM's team, led by President Fritz Henderson and Ray Young, his chief financial officer.
Cerberus wants a stake in a combined GM-Chrysler and could get a larger stake in GM's financing arm, GMAC. Cerberus already owns 51% of GMAC.
A person briefed on the talks said Cerberus wants to keep a stake in a combined automaker to ensure its GMAC lending business is tied to an automaker when the auto industry rebounds down the road.
Chrysler, GM and Cerberus are mum about any potential deal.
Cerberus acquired majority control of Chrysler last year from then-DaimlerChrysler in a $7.4-billion deal that involved Daimler spending money to get rid of its U.S. unit.
Since then, the U.S. auto industry has seen tremendous sales declines in part because of high gasoline prices and now turmoil in the financial markets that has made getting credit difficult.
The Wall Street Journal has reported that GM hopes to have a deal by the end of the month.
Several analysts have speculated that GM is interested in Chrysler in part because of the Auburn Hills automaker's supposed pile of cash. Chrysler has said that it ended June with $11.7 billion in cash and marketable securities.
GM, meanwhile, is burning through more than $1 billion in cash a month, and analysts are cautioning that the automaker could run out sometime next year.
Meanwhile, GM executives see billions in cost savings that could be had from a merger with Chrysler. The idea being that GM could pick the best of the two companies, keep the sales revenues and ditch the redundant fixed costs.
A person briefed on the strategy said GM is particularly interested in Chrysler's Jeep brand and minivans. There is even some interest in the Chrysler brand, this person said.
Others are not so sure.
"A longtime, frequent criticism of GM is that they've had too many brands out there, so pulling in a few more seems to be contrary to what they've been espousing for a while," said Joe Magyer, senior analyst with Motley Fool.
Kevin Tynan, an analyst at Argus Research, also sees little gain for GM by adding Chrysler, Dodge and Jeep brands.
"You're not getting anything global from Chrysler," he said. "I fail to see what the value is in those three brands. Jeep's not even worth what it was."
Lincoln Merrihew, an industry analyst with TNS Automotive, said a merger could result in savings but it could be 10 years down the road.
"It's extremely expensive," he said of merging auto companies. "You're buying out dealers, you're merging brands, you're paying the staff to go away, white-collar, blue-collar. It's a short-term expense with a long-term gain."
He expects that a merged GM-Chrysler would work to consolidate its dealer body over time. GM has 6,500 U.S. dealers.
Auto dealers in general are struggling across the country, especially dealers selling Detroit vehicles.
Steve Girsky, a former Morgan Stanley analyst and adviser to GM Chief Executive Officer Rick Wagoner, said in 2007 that two-thirds of domestic-brand dealerships needed to go before the remaining stores would be as profitable as import-brand dealerships.
National Automobile Dealers Association Chairwoman Annette Sykora said last week that the nation's troubled economy could contribute to 700 dealers going out of business this year."
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Modified by rosskoss at 8:40 AM 10-18-2008
 

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Re: The End is Nigh: GM is confident it can manage Chrysler brands (Nobuseree)

Isn't it really all speculation up to this point? When wuoting "people familiar with the situation" and other news sources, I'm always a little skeptical of the validity of the small details.
MOST sources seem to say the following:
- GMAC goes to Cerebrus
- Chrysler goes to GM, with cash on the side
- GM keeps bits and pieces of Chrysler, cans rest
 

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Re: The End is Nigh: GM is confident it can manage Chrysler brands (DenCo)

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- GMAC goes to Cerebrus
- Chrysler goes to GM, with cash on the side
- GM keeps bits and pieces of Chrysler, cans rest

Oh, that's all there is to it? Not need to get worried then. It's all so simple - a, b, c and done! Thanks for explaining it to us.
 

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Re: The End is Nigh: GM is confident it can manage Chrysler brands (DenCo)

Quote, originally posted by DenCo »
Isn't it really all speculation up to this point? When wuoting "people familiar with the situation" and other news sources, I'm always a little skeptical of the validity of the small details.
MOST sources seem to say the following:
- GMAC goes to Cerebrus
- Chrysler goes to GM, with cash on the side
- GM keeps bits and pieces of Chrysler, cans rest

Along with sources saying that the GMAC - Chrysler swap would not be an even swap; Chrysler is valued higher than the remaining 49% stake in GMAC, so Cerberus would receive a certain number of shares in GM to make up the difference.
 

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Re: The End is Nigh: GM is confident it can manage Chrysler brands (rosskoss)

I'm not advocating this deal nor do I think it is smart... but I can see it happen this way:
-Merge Dodge dealers with Pontiac-GMC-Buick and eventually eliminate Pontiac cars and Dodge trucks.
-Merge Chrysler-Jeep dealers with Saturn and Hummer dealers and eventually eliminate Chrysler cars, Hummer brand, and Saturn SUVs.
So at the end of the day, GM is left with 4 full line dealership:
1. Chevy full-line, cars, trucks SUVs
2. Dodge (small cars+minivan)-GMC (trucks+SUVs)-Buick (large cars)
3. Saturn (cars)-Jeep (SUVs)
4. Cadillac-Saab
Still way too much but it could work if GM is serious about dropping some brands.
 

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Re: The End is Nigh: GM is confident it can manage Chrysler brands (bzcat)

Quote, originally posted by bzcat »
I'm not advocating this deal nor do I think it is smart... but I can see it happen this way:
-Merge Dodge dealers with Pontiac-GMC-Buick and eventually eliminate Pontiac cars and Dodge trucks.
-Merge Chrysler-Jeep dealers with Saturn and Hummer dealers and eventually eliminate Chrysler cars, Hummer brand, and Saturn SUVs.
So at the end of the day, GM is left with 4 full line dealership:
1. Chevy full-line, cars, trucks SUVs
2. Dodge (small cars+minivan)-GMC (trucks+SUVs)-Buick (large cars)
3. Saturn (cars)-Jeep (SUVs)
4. Cadillac-Saab
Still way too much but it could work if GM is serious about dropping some brands.

I'll take a much easier approach and just kill Dodge and Chrysler all at once and transfer some of the successful models to the GM brands.
Pontiac could get the Challenger and Viper from Dodge and kill the rest.
Hummer - replace all of Hummer with Jeep.
Chevy could get the Town and Country from Chrysler and kill everything else from Chrysler.
SRT works in conjunction with GM performance to create the sporty models of each division.
Sell the Ram rights to Nissan.
I know nothing remotely close to this will happen but it's cool to dream.
 

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Dispensing some good 'ol intarweb wisdom, I'd say a merged GM-Chrysler should sh!tcan everything from Chrysler save Jeep then sh!tcan Buick, GMC, Hummer, Pontiac, Saab and Saturn and thusly keep only Chevrolet and Cadillac.
BTW unlike Cadillac, Saab has no real purpose to exist especially since half of the Saab lineup isn't even a freaking true Saab and that which is a true Saab is freaking older than time itself.

So IOW the new GM would consist solely of Chevrolet, Cadillac and Jeep.
 

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Re: (Dextrobrick)

Quote, originally posted by Dextrobrick »
Dispensing some good 'ol intarweb wisdom, I'd say a merged GM-Chrysler should sh!tcan everything from Chrysler save Jeep then sh!tcan Buick, GMC, Hummer, Pontiac, Saab and Saturn and thusly keep only Chevrolet and Cadillac.
BTW unlike Cadillac, Saab has no real purpose to exist especially since half of the Saab lineup isn't even a freaking true Saab and that which is a true Saab is freaking older than time itself.

So IOW the new GM would consist solely of Chevrolet, Cadillac and Jeep.

Pretty good prognosis of future events.
 

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Re: Re: (mx5er)

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Any word if the feds are down with the merger? Or they're too busy bailin' out other financial institutions.

I originally read that as, "Or are they too busy ballin'"

 

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You guys need to get a refill on your crazy pills.

Sounds like the musings of the eternal optimist.
Reality definitely seems to be heading somehwere else of course.
Sometimes the power of positive thinking just won't do it.
 

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Sometimes the power of positive thinking just won't do it.

 
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