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Lancer Evo VII says, "Hi! My name is Evo VII and I look like a mirage with a body kit on steroids! Don't buy me, I'm ugly."
WRX says, "Hi! My name is WRX and I look like a KIA with a body kit on steroids! Don't buy me, I'm ugly."
DE GTI says, "Hi! My name is DE GTI and I look great, handle great, and I don't lose 80 whp from AWD. Buy me, because I am rare, sexy, and my value will hold very well."
Basically what I am saying is, no matter what you do to the EVO, or the WRX, you will not have the looks that the DE GTI has. As far as I am concerned, the 1.8t Engine has the capability to be the next DSM (in tunability), with the right R&D from our tuning boys. Granted, I am a biased VW nut, but that is how I feel.
 

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Re: The Evo VII and WRX speak out on the DE GTI (Y2KJTA)

thats the dumbest thing i have ever heard. Both the evo and wrx will kill the de im probably every catagory. And who cares if it loses whpcause of awd. I could just as easily say hi my name is gti DE and i wrapped myself around a tree in the snow cause i dont have awd, dont buy me. Man your stupid. Sorry
 

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Re: The Evo VII and WRX speak out on the DE GTI (Devilishly_Handsom)

If you wrapped yourself around a tree in the snow, you were going to fast for conditions. Also AWD is not the answer to bad weather conditions, smart driving is.
I see Y2KJTA's point based on looks and being rare (only 1000) the DE GTi is the winner hands down. How many WRX's do you see on the road. Most likely the DE GTi will go to a VW enthusiast and will be shown the proper care through it's life cycle. Were as EVO II and WRX are most likely bought by any average joe walking down the street and treated like a normal car.
Just my .02
 

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Re: The Evo VII and WRX speak out on the DE GTI (2000GTI)

well, both of the 1st 2 respones sound quite amusing...i've got 2 go look at paint swatches for my new house...peace out...my name is benjamin moore...and i'm on a wait list for a de--and i will be getting FOUR snow tires for mine...peace-cb
 

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Re: The Evo VII and WRX speak out on the DE GTI (cyclinboy)

um... That Lancer in a body kit (which is totally true BTW
) will pass the 1/4 in 12.9 in stock form, has one of the stiffest chassis's for a sub-50k car, AWD, and basically all around ferrari-porsche killer in acceleration and handling.
That Kia with a body kit will also pass the 1/4 in 14.2 and out handle most sub. 50k cars.
Don't gimme crap about fit and finish, because the WRX is put together nicely, and even thought the EVO is a Lancer on 'roids, I'd be happy with my squeeky interior waving by to that 911 in the next lane.
Which one loses 80hp in the drivetrain?

DE GTI is a GREAT GTI, but it isn't a rally bred engineering feat.
 

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Re: The Evo VII and WRX speak out on the DE GTI (cyclinboy)

quote:[HR][/HR]so...the question seems to me...is when will the wuss sell his golf 1.8t and trade (up?) for an evo or wrx...?
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When I pay off my Golf 1.8t and wait long enough to sell it as so I don't lose to much money from what I already have paid for it... couple that with the fact that I'm still in school, barely make enough money to pay bills and eat, and also have some major debts waiting for me after I get out of school.............
If I had the means, I would trade right now.
 

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Re: The Evo VII and WRX speak out on the DE GTI (THE Wuss)

The WRX has 225hp at the flywheel, and 168 at the wheels. My bad, it loses about 60 HP thru the drivetrain.
Hey, god bless you all if you want to fly through your corners and do a 12.whatever 1/4 mile. If you buy a WRX or EVO, I will look better than you, no matter how many car lengths you may or may not beat me by. My car doesn't have the horrid interior of the other 2, nor does it have moricemo parts which makes it look like Uncle Ben himself engineered it.
I will not deny for a moment that I have biased opinions, but I feel that way. If that makes me stupid, I am A-O-K with that.
BTW, won't a chipped/intaked/exhausted 1.8t run the Kia WRX and still cost less, anyway?


[Modified by Y2KJTA, 4:03 PM 2-7-2002]
 

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Re: The Evo VII and WRX speak out on the DE GTI (Y2KJTA)

biased ? can't tell
You can't base to much on looks becuase it's all dependant on the beholder. That's why I speak mostly in performance terms.
I will agree that the EVO is a Lancer with a roid rage. And Lancers are 13k cars, sooooo , yes the extra 14k is being spent on go fast goodies. The WRX though, I don't know why people say it's cheap inside?
Beefy Momo steering wheel, excellent sport bucket seats... ( the fake carbon fiber http://****************.com/smile/emthdown.gif ), but overall, a nice sporty feel.
 

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Re: The Evo VII and WRX speak out on the DE GTI (Y2KJTA)

For me, it's apples and oranges.
Can't we just all agree that it's subjective? Yeah, sure the Lancer and the WRX are very quick and nice and all but, personally, I'm looking for the kind of style and class that I feel a Golf embodies - especially the DE. But, that's just me - it's subjective.
I've owned a Lancer back in the UK and it was a lot of fun (apart from the 50 square acres of plastic stretching for as far as the eye can see) but did not present 'the whole package' - styling, power, fun, individuality - for me.
If you like the Lancer - wait and buy one. The WRX? Buy one of those. Let's not waste time trying to convince each other that the DE/Lancer/WRX is the better car. If you feel about the Lancer/WRX like I do about DE then there's not much point - I've done the thinking and come to one conclusion.
I'm buying the DE.
 

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Re: The Evo VII and WRX speak out on the DE GTI (highbpm)

quote:[HR][/HR]If you feel about the Lancer/WRX like I do about DE then there's not much point -[HR][/HR]​
Word up. http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
 

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Re: The Evo VII and WRX speak out on the DE GTI (Y2KJTA)

I don't know about you, but I now relish the days when the enthusiast had 1 or 2 choices and that's it. This bickering is getting old REAL quick.
 

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Re: The Evo VII and WRX speak out on the DE GTI (Y2KJTA)

WRX ugly? Go look in the mirror and try not to get 7 years bad luck.
The WRX personality of the wrx to me is like someone who is neat but not out to impress. The guy in the T-shirt, jeans and hiking shoes, yet has a software engineering degree in their back pocket and a black belt holding up the pants.
 

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Re: The Evo VII and WRX speak out on the DE GTI (THE Wuss)

I couldn't help myself.... had to cross post this from a NAIAS thread
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Biggest disappointment: Subaru WRX
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I was disappointed with the WRX for two reasons:
Firstly, as others have already stated, it totally lacks any soul, character, charisma or whatever the current buzzword is. There is also a related deficiency in overall innovation, both technical and tactile. Even with the 350Z up on the turntable (could not sit in, touch or take an up-close-and personal look), it proved to be at the exact opposite end of this admittedly esoteric spectrum. I drooled for at least 20 minutes.
Second was Subaru’s marginal build quality. I know I’m at odds with the current ga-ga buzz over this car and the perception of all the boy-racers and that it is the next best thing since digital cellular. Here’s where I am at a disadvantage; I once did QC engineering for the Canadian importer of a familiar German brand (you know, the one with the “round” emblem). I have only my professional experience with OEM QC audits, product issue reports and ownership of primarily German makes over the last 3 decades to use as a barometer The cheap, plasticky feel of the Subaru interior panels, trim and switchgear along with an abundance of unfinished edges, mismatched panel textures and overall poor fit really turned me off. In particular, the faux carbon fiber on the center console was at ultimately an insult to real CF. The Subaru’s haphazard engine compartment plumbing, cable operated throttle and CCS, wire harness fix-points, inconsistent body panel gaps (even between two different cars), trunk finish (or lack thereof), care in seam welding and application of PVC coating were all very unnerving to see. It’s very obvious that Subaru has very broad production tooling and QC audit tolerances, allowing as how the final assembly is so inconsistent. It’s not quite as bad as the undisputed leader in poor panel gaps, GM, but disappointing nonetheless. You really do get your money’s worth I guess.
The above-mentioned boy-racers that want to counter the above with “ …you can take your panel gaps and carefull assembly and shove them while I blow you off with a 5+ second 0-60 time and awd”, really need to get back down on the carpet. The stark reality is, for the vast majority of time we spend in our cars, a 0-60 time here or there is irrelevant. We all drive to school/work, we all get stuck in rush hour traffic, and we all do 5-10 over the limit and we all dream about being Senna. A second or so difference in 0-60 or 30-50 times, or a .5 difference in lateral Gs between cars, awd or not, fizzles into obscurity during the 99th percentile we ACTUALLY use our cars. In fact, I am reminded of a piece Car & Driver did back in the mid 90’s whereby they compared quattro and 2wd versions of the Audi 100/200 (or then new A6, can't remember) and proved no real benefit of awd over 2wd in “day to day” driving conditions (see above) and insignificant differences in slalom or medium speed track venues. I wish that more of us admitted deep down that the pathetic bragging right game is really rather silly. Yet, over and above those that really wish to take advantage of awd due to geographic location (snow etc), the childish posturing seems to play such a big part in being an enthusiast nowadays.
Maybe it’s because I’m an old fart now, but I prefer to be content in the knowledge that the car of my choice was designed, tooled and assembled with attention to detail, shows innovation in technical and convenience features, has interior details that reflect richness in materials (touch etc.) and ambiance, because that’s where I happen to spend a lot of my time. Oh, and lastly, yes, “is also capable of generating competitive numbers”, but you’ll never catch me bragging. I’d also be glad to pay a little more for the above as well. Attention to detail, percieved or real, really does make a difference to those that chose to look for it (those that have been exposed to the Disney Institute's take on business will know what I mean). That to me is true value for money spent, and as such, the WRX only passes with a C-.
Focusing on the WRX performance potential issue for a sec., (you know, “the next best thing since…” crap), I can’t help but share an amusing experience from the last few autocross events I competed in last season. Anyway, several new WRX show in GS and everyone’s going ga-ga. Normally I don’t pay too much attention to times posted in classes other than my own, but imagine my surprise when I thoroughly spank all WRX’s with my pathetic, non R-tire, 1987 GTI 16V with, at est. 140, a little more than half their HP!. I guess this gives new meaning to “getting your moneys worth” with a WRX.
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Re: The Evo VII and WRX speak out on the DE GTI (TechEd)

You are 100% correct, but everything in life comes down to priorities. Do I want speed, comfort or a combination of the two (and in what ratio)? When I was younger, speed was all that mattered and cheap speed mattered the most. Now that I am over 30, I seek a balance. Perhaps as I get older, I will want more comfort, who knows? I never thought I would want a car with leather and wood trim, yet now I do. I can't ever see myself driving a car without a manual transmission, but perhaps someday I will.
Other than a Mustang or F-body, the WRX represents excellent bang for the buck, from a stock speed perspective. From any other perspective it is a very expensive $25K economy car.
 

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Re: The Evo VII and WRX speak out on the DE GTI (Y2KJTA)

quote:[HR][/HR]..... and I don't lose 80 whp from AWD. ....[HR][/HR]​
Damn. Now I gotta cancel the order for my twin turbo 996. Can't anything go right with my life?
 

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Re: The Evo VII and WRX speak out on the DE GTI (dmkozak)

The WRX should actually be compared to the current GTI GLX (12v VR6). If you want to compare the Driver's Edition to a Subaru, it should be the WRX sti Prodrive.
 

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Re: The Evo VII and WRX speak out on the DE GTI (dmkozak)

you crazy...
the EVO VII UGLY!!!!!!! Thats the MOST beautiful car! Twin Turbo! And no its not a mirage, its a lancer. ANd yes, the DE IS Fresh as phuck!
 

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Re: The Evo VII and WRX speak out on the DE GTI (Y2KJTA)

Man, why do some people have to be such haters?

I am a car enthusiast. I like a plethora of cars made by all different manufactuers. There are people out there who like cars other than VW you know.
As far as the comments on looks, that's a totally subjective opinion, so I won't rag on anyone for that.
As far as the 1.8T having the same potential as the DSM motors, if only this were true.


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quote:[HR][/HR]you crazy...
the EVO VII UGLY!!!!!!! Thats the MOST beautiful car! Twin Turbo! And no its not a mirage, its a lancer. ANd yes, the DE IS Fresh as phuck![HR][/HR]​
Just to let you know, EVO VII isnt twin turbo, has a beefed up 4g63 engine from the previous generation eclipse turbo. Still it's going to be an extremely fast car. IF you guys want to check out http://www.Lancerforums.com and hit the evo rumors forum those guys will give you 101 reasons why the EVO VII doesnt need luxury. You'll hear the exact opposite opinions from this thread. I'll take quality and luxury any day sitting in traffic 99% of the time. http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
 
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