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Today's Enthusiast
By Cory Farley: Today's Enthusiast
I've spent too much time around high school kids lately, and I've realized a weird thing – almost none of them knows or cares anything about cars.
I mean, they care to the extent that they want one, that they think the world should provide it and that it should be either a jacked-up pickup truck or a red convertible. Other than that…zip.
The Way Things Used To Be
That sense of entitlement is no different than when I was haunting the low end of the classified ads three decades ago. The lack of interest, though, is a sharp departure from The Way Things Used To Be.
Those of us in the Baby Boom got our first wheels when old heaps needed a lot of work, and you could do most of it yourself. By necessity, we learned about automobiles. That makes us smug, but it shouldn't. Almost none of what we know is of any value in the Modern Era, when engines are hermetically sealed.
Young drivers have a different view. Cars either run, and you drive them, or they don't run, and you have them towed to A Guy. At the Honda place that takes care of my wife's Civic, only one mechanic predates electronic ignitions. If being able to gap points by the side of the road ever becomes a valuable skill again, he and I will clean up. Otherwise, we're just two more silverbacks who remember how to braid buggy whips.
The kids' attitude about troubleshooting has changed, too. A fair amount of macho used to be wrapped up in the ability to fix a loose wire or leaking hose. You'd pull to the shoulder, lift the hood, crimp the connection with your slip-joint pliers and take off with all eight cylinders firing and your chest straining your madras shirt.
When I was not much older than my daughter's boyfriend, I hitchhiked through hammering rain on Interstate 80 to a Chevy dealer, bought a fuel pump, hitched back and installed it in my '65 Impala using nothing but a pair of Channelocks.
They Don't Care
That he – my daughter's boyfriend – can't do that isn't important. I couldn't do it either, until I had to, and I was surprised that the car even started. What's interesting is that he doesn't care that he can't do it. He doesn't even know it can be done. When you have a cell phone and triple-A card, you can summon people to get greasy for you.
Does that sound completely geezer-like and condescending? It's not meant to. This kid can do things with a computer that I can't believe, and he's an athlete so fiercely joyful in play that I laugh out loud watching him.
What happens under the hood of a car is a mystery he doesn't consider worth unraveling, at least partly because modern cars so resist being unraveled. Occasionally, I overhear something that makes me think I'm wrong about this.
Optimizing Performance
The other day a couple of local louts sat around drinking my Pepsi and complaining about "lousy performance."
"It, like, won't start," one said. "And then it runs crummy."
An older boy, nearly 18 and in a Jack Kerouac stage, asked some questions I didn't catch. I missed some of the answers, too, but I heard enough to form an opinion: a fuel problem. Clogged filter, maybe. If I was lucky, he'd be driving an old Volkswagen. I could field-strip that carburetor faster than he could punch up 1-800-HELP-ME. Now who's irrelevant in the new millennium?
The Kerouac kid finished my Pepsi, hitched up his rumpled khakis and ran a hand through his long hair (if you can't go on the road, the next best thing is to look like you have).
"You got it outside?" he asked. "I'll look at it."
I shadowed them out the door, ready to leap in with socket set and Phillips-head. Instead of popping the hood, though, the younger kid opened the car door and reached into the console. He handed out a flat package.
Get With The Program
A computer disc? What's that got to do with fuel filters?
Kerouac glanced at it, then spotted me. "Hey, Mr. Farley," he said, "can we use your computer for a minute? Jay's having trouble getting this to run. I need to check it out."
Sure, go ahead. I'll be in the barn, saddle-soaping my buggy whips.

peter takacs
aka Gordon Gecko


[Modified by Matchschtick, 1:35 AM 2-12-2002]
 

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Re: This stuff just pisses me off...... (Enthusiast)

That was a really well-written article with some good points...
While it may be largely true; you should see the number of kids at my high school that are dying to learn about cars now that a select few have begun to modify their own (including myself).
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Re: This stuff just pisses me off...... (Gary C)

I would have to agree though, almost all the guys at high school don't know what they're talking about. I may be getting old (haha, I just graduated high school last June), but I was never one of those guys. Here's a quick example: we (meaning I) put in a stereo into my friend's Accord. Of course, we had to disconnect the battery. So, after installing it, we decided to cruise down to the movie theater and catch a movie. I forgot what we saw. But anyway, we get back out to the car afterwards, and he turns the key and nothing happens. No attempted turn over, so clattering of the starter motor, nothing. He goes, damn, we must've hooked up something wrong or something, the battery must be drained. He proceeds to start looking for someone to give him a jump, and pulls out his cell phone to call his dad. I, while he's dialing, open the hood, and push the negative wire of the battery onto the terminal harder, go into the driver's seat, and then fire the car up. I mean, he didn't even think to check anything under the hood, or even attempt to try to fix it. <shrug> Kids these days...
 

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Re: This stuff just pisses me off...... (Gary C)

quote:[HR][/HR]This stuff just pisses me off.......[HR][/HR]​
Why?
This article isn't that far off at all. Sure there are people like many of us who are young and know a lot about cars and how they work, like a modern version of yesteryear's enthusiast. But for the large majority, cars are:
1) Point A to point B transportation
2) Something kinda cool because there expensive
3) Something thier parents let them borrow and abuse
4) Something to show off by putting on flashy wheels, body kits, muffler tips, ect.
 

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Re: This stuff just pisses me off...... (Fusion)

i thought he was refering to the article pissing him off... i was like WTF??? that makes no sense..
but yes i agree if your talking about daddy and mommy funded cars with kids who have no respect for em and no clue how they work..yes i agree.
 

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Re: This stuff just pisses me off...... (Fusion)

I'm in the under 25 set, and I disagree with a lot of what I hear. People say engines today are too complicated to work on or something, that's bull$hit. Today you hardly have to troubleshoot. You plug your scan tool/laptop into the OBD II port, and it tells ya where to look. In 30 seconds you've narrowed it down from the whole car to maybe 3 or 4 things.
Sure you can tune a carb with a screwdriver, I bought a MAF Translator and I dont even need a screwdriver, just twist the base knob and the WOT knob. How do you know if you've tuned too lean or rich? Best way is to pull the spark plugs and attempt to "read" them. I plug in the laptop and check my B1S1 and B2S1 short band O2 sensor millivoltage. I can do a cam swap on an LS1 without even pulling the intake or lifters, and any roller cam vehicle is easier to work on/tune than a flat tappet cam vehicle.
I really dont think they've gotten that much harder to work on. Sure today's motors are more "complicated" (if you've ever seen the inner workings of a Holley 4150 you may disagree with me) but we also have computers that tell us where to look, and exactly what is happening. Not only will it tell us, it will log it, and let us monitor other variables as well.
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Re: This stuff just pisses me off...... (Crazyquik)

"I've spent too much time around high school kids lately, and I've realized a weird thing – almost none of them knows or CARES anything about cars."
"When I was not much older than my daughter's boyfriend, I hitchhiked through hammering rain on Interstate 80 to a Chevy dealer, bought a fuel pump, hitched back and installed it in my '65 Impala using nothing but a pair of Channelocks."
Oh man I dont know why these kind of ignorant statements piss me off
...Could it be that people my age and even younger (23) buy these expensive sythetic oils form mobile and this artical is just chillin on THE HOME PAGE. I just think that dissing part of your market share isn't proper buisness practice. Just becasue I carry a tool kit and don't have to change my o2 with a toothpick and a piece of gum, means I should be lumped with all the suckers. Personally I care very deeply for cars, and every car I've owned, right down to the sh*tbox.....
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Re: This stuff just pisses me off...... (rockit)

Corey Farley's father probably said the same thing when he was a teenager. (In a old man voice like Grandpa Simpson) "In my time teenagers knew alot about riding horses and pulling a buggy, but now all they know about is these oil burning mobiles, they don't even care about how to take care of horse or how much they eat".
 

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Re: This stuff just pisses me off...... (wky)

that's funny those offend you because im even YOUNGER than you and that offends me in the LEAST in fact i found it to be quite humorous if you get through it and see the sarcasm present. that's your opinion and i respect it but i failed to see how it would offend somebody.
*shrug* guess it IS all in how i was raised
 

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Re: This stuff just pisses me off...... (Matchschtick)

I agree with that guy. I mean, COME ON! Just because you saw tfatf doesnt mean youre an automotive expert.
I swear, if I hear another person say 'V4' I'll just SCREAM!
 

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Re: This stuff just pisses me off...... (Gary C)

i don't think the article was meant to criticise todays kids so much as just point out a few things. too many people are taking it the wrong way. if it was obviously complaining about todays kids then i don't think mobil would put it on the front page. also, you guys have to realize that every generation complains about "today's kids"... back to the times of Plato and Socrates...
 

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Re: This stuff just pisses me off...... (wky)

Whatever.... some things are not off from reality but gimme a break, like the technology wouldn't be working for us! Tell me about it, I've been strugling with the replacement car while my car is recostructed after being stolen (Vento A3 Ex-Equipped, sound, 17"wheels, blah blah blah) and the damn A2 Golf with carburator is a POS compared to fuel inyection systems.
The Vento Story: Just replace the damn spark plugs, filters, oil, and so on, maybe cleaning the MAF, or the idle valve, injectors but easy task indeed, no calibration neededm well maybe spark plugs but i cant recall how much years have passed since the last time i saw my father calibrating those plugs....
The A2 Golf Story: No Jetta? ok, borrow this car and what happens? the exhaust fumes sometimes smell like rotten eggs, maybe has something to do with the catalyzer and a rich mixture. Time for a tune-up? get all greasy, calibrate the carburator, take all pieces apart to clean it, and end up with a very comprimising balance between "the air is hot today = im running rich mixture, but tomorrow morning I'll be lean when it's like 50 degrees...".
I'd rather tell my kids "teach me how to use that thing" to listen in 50 years Britney Spears "Grandson, I did it again" than listening 45rpm vinyl records....
Sharpix Aka No Me Chingues Cabron (translate it to spanish)
 

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Re: This stuff just pisses me off...... (Matchschtick)

I read the article as this:
It may seem on the surface that he's digging on today's generation of kids for not knowing about cars, but I think he's really saying he's now aware that his time has passed. Kids will rip open computers, hack code and modify things that he's scared to even touch. What used to be his means of feeling self confident has now been reduced to the image of the Maytag Man. And the things that make today's youth feel confident and ingenius are a complete and utter mystery to him. He has in fact become the guy that can't set the gap on a set of points as he is dialing the Microsoft Help Number because his mouse moves too slow.
 
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