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Those lovely "passive" seatbelts

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Leave it to the DOT to mandate something that is surely, in time, going to breakdown

Before I start cutting into the wiring, I wanted to confirm that there are only 2 wires that need to be spliced together. Right ??
As some of you may have no idea what I'm talking about, let me rant a bit...
Starting in '90 (I believe) the US DOT mandated that all cars have some sort of passive restraint. VW's answer to this was a shoulder belt that if not plugged into a latch on the door, would render the car unable to start. Nevermind that the concept was proven to cause more harm then good, as most driver's never attached the lap belt. In the event of an accident, these un-lap-belted drivers would end up wrapped around their pedals with a bad case of whiplash.
Wishin' I had plain, everyday 3-point seatbelts,
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Re: Those lovely "passive" seatbelts (kennyg)

weren't there instructions in the Bentley on how to exchange the Passive restraint system for the 3 point system which came on the early Fox's? I remember seeing it somewhere.
Is it bad that I don't have a seatbelt buzzer? It means that if I leave my headlights on, that I don't know they are on when I open my door to get out.
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Re: Those lovely "passive" seatbelts (dtompsett)

I agree that the passive belts are not as effective. Just be glad they don't use motors to position/tighten them like some cars. Just what your battery needs on a cold morning is to run seat belt motor(s) when you close the door and just before your find out if the battery still has enough power to turn over the engine.

However, there are only 2 wires to splice together. Access them under the dash, in the door, or at the door-mount latch.

Or for more work/money, swap all the belts, latches, and brackets for the older style. Then problem is to find some you would literally trust with your life. Definately stay away from used belts from a junker that had a major front-end hit. Might be available from dealer for big bucks. The attachment point on the piller is hiding behind the interior vinyl.
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Re: Those lovely "passive" seatbelts (FOXisVW2)

I started to think of where I wanted to splice them together and after taking the panels off the door, I decided to add a stealth rocker switch. It's mounted on the bottom of the upper panel, kinda near the knee bar. I can take some pictures, if anyone is interested, let me know.
The Bentley does have instructions on changing to "regular" belts. If you can read between the lines http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
I've actually been looking for a car with a matching interior to get the parts from but I've yet to find one that hasn't been in a major front (or rear) accident. Though I'm sure one of these days I'll stumble across what I need.
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Re: Those lovely "passive" seatbelts (kennyg)

Kenny,
I hear that new belts from the dealer are rather inexpensive. Got a few minutes to check it out for us?
Or hows about 5 point harnesses? hey, wheres this 5th belt go? Ohhhhh, I don't think so.
LP
Re: Those lovely "passive" seatbelts (kennyg)

The remote starter-disable switch using the seatbelt interlock circuit is a good idea. I always just yoink the interlock relay and replace it with a jumper wire (easier than splicing the wires) but reusing the circuit for your own purpose is even better.
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Re: Those lovely "passive" seatbelts (tscot)

Tscot, are you talking about the load reduction relay ? Which connections did you jumper ?
Thanks
-Carlos


[Modified by hackercarlos, 12:27 PM 2-12-2002]
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Re: Those lovely "passive" seatbelts (92foxrox)

I'll probably be heading to the dealer this afternoon or tomorrow, I'll check on new belt prices then.
If I may venture off-topic...
Why is it that auto-part stores don't carry Fox air filters?? All I want is a cheap air filter to use in my stock airbox but, NOOOOO, I'd have to wait 10 days for Checker to get one from somewhere
Anyway, that's why I'm going to the dealer
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Re: Those lovely "passive" seatbelts (kennyg)

I got a factory filter from Zygmunt in 2 days, standard shipping.
http://www.bimmerparts.com
Re: Those lovely "passive" seatbelts (kennyg)

quote:[HR][/HR]Why is it that auto-part stores don't carry Fox air filters?? [HR][/HR]​
Ooops, forgot to tell you that is good filler for a partsbin order....
And disabaling the seatbelt interlock was one of the first mods to my ride, oh, 3 or 4 years ago. That is, after the strut mounts, and the strut mounts, and......
LP
The new shifter boot and grille will make me KING COOL in town again!!
Re: Those lovely "passive" seatbelts (92foxrox)

Thats weird. I can find the Fox air filter her on the Island in Western Auto. I thought that I would be the one who will not be finding items as simple as those for the fox.
Anyway, the only things that I can buy for a Fox here is a Air Filter and a Oilfilter. Everything else I have to order.
Thats why living on this Island sucks sometimes.

-Carlos
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Re: Those lovely "passive" seatbelts (hackercarlos)

I called around to a couple of dealers yesterday and guess what...Only one in town had an digi-fox airfilter http://****************.com/smile/emthdown.gif Well, it should be the last stock filter I ever buy, I only need it to use the stock airbox to pass emissions, then it's back to the (improved) K&N cone.
While I was there I checked on the 'belts. While they were cheaper then a 5-point harness, they weren't much cheaper. I'll just have to keep an eye out in the 'yards.
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Re: Those lovely "passive" seatbelts (tscot)

Tscot. Which connections do you jumper on the fusebox for the load reduction relay spot ? My Fox is a 1990 CIS-E with that stupid seatbelt switch and I would like to get rid of having to put on the seatbelt to start the car.
BTW. I know that I can splice the wires but I'm lazy

-Carlos
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Re: Those lovely "passive" seatbelts (hackercarlos)

The load reduction relay is different and should stay. The one you're after is #8 (bottom row, second from left). Just take a few inches of wire, crimp on a couple male spade-lug connectors then aim for the two directly perpendicular slots on the relay panel (in that #8 spot, should be numbered 36 and 38).
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Re: Those lovely "passive" seatbelts (tscot)

Thanks Scot
Now I know what your talking about. The older '87 Fox fuseboxs did not have a relay there. They had a direct bridge to connect the 2 slots.
Thanks
-Carlos.
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