[tzretusn]

Realize this isn't about TDIs, but noticed in AutoWeek today that Chrysler is offering the PT Cruiser in Europe with a Mercedes 2.2 liter common rail turbodiesel (119 hp at 4200 rpm and 221 lb-ft at 1800 rpm). Why won't VW (or even Chrysler) bring one of those here?
George

 

[Godlike]

Re: Turbodiesel PT (tzretusn)

because no one's figured out how to make the higher tuned diesels run on the poop we call diesel..
it is also about emissions.. there are a couple cool solutions, but again, those would fail with the diesel here.. so we don't get cool looking cars like this Peugeot

The difference in their fortunes is best explained by a simple combination of figures.
To cover 60,000 miles, a typical petrol-powered car, at 34 miles per gallon (combined) will use 1,765 gallons. And with petrol at £3.60 a gallon (quoting typical fuel prices at 24th September 2001) covering those miles will cost £6,354.
With Peugeot HDi, though, the financial picture is very different.
To cover that same 60,000 miles, a Peugeot 406 HDi, at a frugal 50.4 miles per gallon (combined), uses 1,191 gallons.
And with diesel costing £3.56 a gallon (typical price at 24th September 2001) the cost of travelling the 60,000 miles plummets to £4,240.
That's a difference of £2,114 on the running of just one car

 

[SatinTDi]

Re: Turbodiesel PT (tzretusn)

I wonder will the ugly and impractical PT Cruiser go the same way as the Neon in Europe and become total NO SELLER and ultimately get withdrawn.

 

[rsbaker]

Re: Turbodiesel PT (Godlike)

quote:[HR][/HR]because no one's figured out how to make the higher tuned diesels run on the poop we call diesel..
it is also about emissions.. [HR][/HR]​

I thought it was only about emissions and that other than the catalytic converter, the tuned engines (e.g. the P.D.) would run fine on our fuel. The mechanicals themselves don't really care, it's just that the higher output engines can't meet U.S. emissions standards on our fuel.
After all, VW has already announced that the P.D. 100 is coming here in 2004.

 

[Wagonuser]

Re: Turbodiesel PT (rsbaker)

I'm no diesel fuel expert, but I heard that the mechanicals of the PD system specifically (which create extremely high injection pressures)would be comprimised by the quality of the fuel, over time, Sulfer content, etc and that the cetane level of the fuel also affects the tuning side of things (what levels of boost, & injection timing, what the ecu does)

What are your sources that imply it's only emission related?
Thanks
After all, if the fuel wouldn't hurt the motor, wouldn't have some people already imported some PD heads and ecu's in the last couple of years?
I've not heard of anyone doing that yet.
Best Regards

 

[rsbaker]

Re: Turbodiesel PT (Wagonuser)

quote:[HR][/HR]I'm no diesel fuel expert, but I heard that the mechanicals of the PD system specifically (which create extremely high injection pressures)would be comprimised by the quality of the fuel, over time, Sulfer content, etc and that the cetane level of the fuel also affects the tuning side of things (what levels of boost, & injection timing, what the ecu does)[HR][/HR]​

Again, VW has announced that it is bringing over a P.D. motor in 2004, so it must work.
http://www.beetlebuzz.com/sept.html

 

[Godlike]

Re: Turbodiesel PT (rsbaker)

quote:[HR][/HR]I'm no diesel fuel expert, but I heard that the mechanicals of the PD system specifically (which create extremely high injection pressures)would be comprimised by the quality of the fuel, over time, Sulfer content, etc and that the cetane level of the fuel also affects the tuning side of things (what levels of boost, & injection timing, what the ecu does)
Again, VW has announced that it is bringing over a P.D. motor in 2004, so it must work.
http://www.beetlebuzz.com/sept.html [HR][/HR]​

by then, the US will be more or less running on ultra low sulfer diesel.. if i remember correctly, the official date is 2006, but i suspect most places will have ULSD in place much sooner..


[Modified by Godlike, 8:20 AM 2-12-2002]

 

[speedR]

Re: Turbodiesel PT (tzretusn)

We need better diesel engines here in North America.

 

[N5160U]

Re: Turbodiesel PT (speedR)

The problem in all reality is that the American Trucking Association has always lobbied the lawmakers here to fight any thing that would raise the price of diesel fuel and any laws trying to mandate lower sulpher content diesel fuel will be defeated because it would force a price increase estimated to be about $0.09 per U.S. gallon. Getting the sulpher out of the fuel here isnt gonna happen as long as Cheney is running this country.

 

[Godlike]

Re: Turbodiesel PT (N5160U)

i thought the rules had already been written and the mandates in place..

 

[TDI-NEVER-DIE]

Re: Turbodiesel PT (Godlike)

sweet looking Peug. http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif

 

[TurboniumHillfolk]

Re: Turbodiesel PT (TDI-NEVER-DIE)

i was at the detroit diesel factory a couple of years ago for some training,,they had a bunch of chryslers w/ diesels,,i remember a minivan,and a neon,,,remember we(us) like our gas hog suv's,,why drive a diesel,,fuel is cheap,,personally if you own an suv,,you suck,,unless you use to haul kids,etc,,but its still close if you suck or not,,,,,,,,,