VR6 engine mount brackets for a b5 subframe

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Electriccell

Discussion Starter · Dec 3, 2021 (Edited)

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Hello Vortex family, it has been some time - while building a VR swap, The need came for engine brackets. Compared to some expensive options out there I decided to take the matter into my own hands.

A lil bit about me, I had made a career manufacturing custom lighting fixtures machining and welding for over 10 years. With a love for VW, when time came for fabricating I applied the same life skills.

These brackets are made out of 304 stainless steel. They are fab to go with an after market oil filter housing. They will bolt a VR block into any b5 models, meaning A4/S4/RS 4&6 will work also. I wanted to make this as affordable as possible, with materials cost and labor time and logistics into making these solid the price is $500 for a set. I will also offer a live time warranty. If broken will replace at no cost. I will also work on putting the hardware together for these.

There is one set available at the time, Im looking to start a list between 10-15 people that are interested in these and the cost could be dropped to 450-400 per set.

Please feel free to reach me with any questions and concerns and follow me on instagram @4_wheel_drive_works thanks.

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arnoldcp

· #2 · Dec 3, 2021

This is awesome, beautiful work. I have no idea what a swap of this kind would entail but the end result would be pretty slick.

Subbed! Might be a buyer at some point.

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thscott

· #3 · Dec 3, 2021

Awesome work and welding!

PunaVr6(Haole)

· #4 · Dec 4, 2021

I am one who is planning to do a future 12v vr6 swap into a b5 avant. I have the car, I have the engine, but nothing else so far.
What angle do the brackets hold the motor in relation to the chasis? Does it lean towards driver side, similar to how it is leaning forward in the factory transverse setup?

Electriccell

Discussion Starter · #5 · Dec 5, 2021

PunaVr6(Haole) said:
I am one who is planning to do a future 12v vr6 swap into a b5 avant. I have the car, I have the engine, but nothing else so far.
What angle do the brackets hold the motor in relation to the chasis? Does it lean towards driver side, similar to how it is leaning forward in the factory transverse setup?

Thats awesome! These brackets would bolt the block the longitudinal way to a 01a/01e transmission using the adapter plate. It doesn’t lean but sits straight, with a little trim/modification it is possible to still use the factory hood latch and rad support. You will also need a phaeton oil pan if you could find one. The one from touareg works but it hangs low and sticks out below the sub frame. There are oil pans for sale made for this but they cost an arm and a leg. Im also working on making affordable oil pans for this with an oem look. Will post some pictures in the morning.

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PunaVr6(Haole)

· #6 · Dec 5, 2021

ok sounds good. I'll be watching this thread for sure. How about just buying a cheap factory 12v steel pan, cut the flange area off and welding up a custom shape for the pan itself? Or is the actual oil pump sump sticking down too far?
I'm definitely not going to try and find anything from a phaeton. I occasionally peek in at the phaeton threads to see what they are all about and it does not look easy to find parts at all. And if you are able to find the part, it is always big $$$

Electriccell

Discussion Starter · #7 · Dec 5, 2021

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PunaVr6(Haole) said:
ok sounds good. I'll be watching this thread for sure. How about just buying a cheap factory 12v steel pan, cut the flange area off and welding up a custom shape for the pan itself? Or is the actual oil pump sump sticking down too far?
I'm definitely not going to try and find anything from a phaeton. I occasionally peek in at the phaeton threads to see what they are all about and it does not look easy to find parts at all. And if you are able to find the part, it is always big $$$

Thanks mate, I have not experimented with steal pans, not sure about their fitment but suppose you could make it work. The thing is with steal pan it just bolts up to the block and not to the transmission/adaptor plate, with aluminum you get few extra bolts in and than you have to worry about rust if your on the east coast.
Oil pump sump is a question, depends on which oil pan you decide to go with, some people run r32 oil pumps, I am going with stock vr oil pump.
Agree with you on phaetons stuff is to pricy.
Here are few more pics of how the engine sits in the bay.

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PunaVr6(Haole)

· #8 · Dec 6, 2021

Wow that just so fits in there! What about all the accessories and pulleys and belt? Doesn't look like there is any room left for all that stuff. I guess you could maybe run a different radiator and thin electric fan setup, delete the AC heat exchanger and move it all forward. Unless that screws with FMIC placement.

Electriccell

Discussion Starter · #9 · Dec 6, 2021

PunaVr6(Haole) said:
Wow that just so fits in there! What about all the accessories and pulleys and belt? Doesn't look like there is any room left for all that stuff. I guess you could maybe run a different radiator and thin electric fan setup, delete the AC heat exchanger and move it all forward. Unless that screws with FMIC placement.

Its a tight fit, but it can be done, still work in progress. I got all of major headaches out of the way, its fun time from here on!

spaktacular

· #10 · Dec 9, 2021

I guess my question is....."Why?"

The B5 platform the 1.8T 4 cylinder and the 2.8 30 valve V6 available.......

PunaVr6(Haole)

· #11 · Dec 9, 2021

IMO vr6 > than pretty much any 4 banger when it comes to torque delivery and sound. And they are awesome for boosting... handles it well on factory bottom end.

The factory 2.8 v6 in the b5 is not at all comparable to the vr6 in how it behaves, the sounds it makes and especially the packaging. Just look at how much room he has in the bay for manifolds and turbos and all the other good stuff compared to a standard angled V6. So why not jam another liter in pretty much the same space as the factory 1.8t? No replacement for displacement, as the common saying goes.

Electriccell

Discussion Starter · #12 · Dec 9, 2021 (Edited)

Thanks PunaVr6. 👍

PunaVr6(Haole)

· #13 · Dec 10, 2021

No problem man. I have an ulterior motive... Hehe I want to see this done. I had decided many years ago, after 034 built their time attack b5 with 12v and crushed the competition, that I want that. And nothing else as much as that. But for many of us, life doesn't just give us what we want when we demand it. Not to mention all the obstacles it can throw in your way. So the long journey continues.

Fohaley

· #14 · Dec 14, 2021

Nice mounts. Wish the ones I have allowed for an easy oil filter change like yours. Hopefully have mine running again here soon. Last motor made a bunch of shavings in the oil on start up. Still looking for what it was.

colbymc

· #15 · Dec 14, 2021

spaktacular said:
I guess my question is....."Why?"

The B5 platform the 1.8T 4 cylinder and the 2.8 30 valve V6 available.......

Because VR6 Turbo!!

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Jettaboy1884

· #16 · Dec 22, 2021

spaktacular said:
I guess my question is....."Why?"

The B5 platform the 1.8T 4 cylinder and the 2.8 30 valve V6 available.......

Puna pretty much covered it, but I'll add that the 2.8L Audi V6's have really minimal aftermarket support. The 30v has a chip and PES supercharger kit, and the 12v takes a lot of finesse and "old school" work to squeeze more out of. Both 2.8L blocks are also not really boost friendly, I know the 12v has weak pistons and the cylinder walls are thin. Things the 2.7tt addressed.

I'm personally not a fan of the 12v VR6 as a naturally aspirated engine (mediocre head), but they can take boost in stock form like it's nobody's business, and as Puna said the packaging is a significant improvement in a B5 bay. As for the 2.7tt engine, it's a heck of a design but crams the bay with its complexity.

PunaVr6(Haole) said:
The factory 2.8 v6 in the b5 is not at all comparable to the vr6 in how it behaves, the sounds it makes and especially the packaging. Just look at how much room he has in the bay for manifolds and turbos and all the other good stuff compared to a standard angled V6. So why not jam another liter in pretty much the same space as the factory 1.8t? No replacement for displacement, as the common saying goes.

Agreed on all points, but wanted to mention that the 12v Audi V6 sounds very close to a 12v VR6. And for what it's worth, you can technically squeeze more naturally aspirated power from the 12v Audi due to better flowing heads. But nobody's throwing a 12v VR6 in to stay NA, so it's a moot point.

I wonder how much more weight the VR6 would put at the front wheels vs the V6? Technically, it's the footprint of about half a cylinder in added length, which should keep it at or below the length of the 1.8t but with more weight. It sure as heck is nothing like the I5 in that regard.

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