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Not sure exactly hat to call it, and info on it has been hard to find, i have a couple pics of replicas but wondering if anyone out there has more info/pics of it.
This is what I'm referring to:



All of those are of the one that Franz built years back, that's now on Bryson's Helios. http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
*updating dead links*


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Re: VWMS Rear toe/camber prevention beam info? (secondgen)

That looks cool, but looks like it can easily get caught on stuff under the car. What kind of results do you think are to be expected with this kind of setup?
 

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Re: VWMS Rear toe/camber prevention beam info? (Agtronic)

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That looks cool, but looks like it can easily get caught on stuff under the car. What kind of results do you think are to be expected with this kind of setup?

Yeah, from what I've kinda estimated, those "towers" are like 6" tall, on the beam that i've made, mine are only 4".
It's supposed to prevent unwanted camber/toe change at the rear wheels in a real hard turn. I have no idea how the car's going to behave with the set-up, but i guess bryson would be the one to ask...as i think he's still running it.
Where are ya bryson.....
 

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I don't understand how it would prevent changes in toe, but I do see the camber. I think you could use traction bars and get better results with no huge carriage and no abrupt components sticking into the airstream/road area
 

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Re: (WackyWabbitRacer)

Nice, exactly what I'm looking for. What size rod ends did you use wacky?
 

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Re: VWMS Rear toe/camber prevention beam info? (secondgen)

you should talk to Shine racing in Walpole, Mass. Dick answered some questions on a similar setup a couple years back and he had mentioned that he had a customer w/ this setup on his car and by removing it they improved lap times substantally...his basic message was that it hurt performance
i do know however that pulsar racing used to make a similar setup way back when
 

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Re: (WackyWabbitRacer)

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fantatsic fab work
the way this prevents unwated toe changes is by keeping the beam extensions from flexing inwards and outwards http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
 

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Re: (silvervdubs99)

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fantatsic fab work
the way this prevents unwated toe changes is by keeping the beam extensions from flexing inwards and outwards http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif

it also makes the a-frame even less independant than it already is, not real desireable http://****************.com/smile/emthdown.gif
 

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Re: (Lysholm)

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it also makes the a-frame even less independant than it already is, not real desireable http://****************.com/smile/emthdown.gif

How? The rod end's are there so that it keeps that independent action. If the bars were welded in there solidly, I can see your comment having some validity, but they're not.
 

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even w/ the heim joints those bars need to get longer as well as swivel in order to allow the beam to twist torsionally, if those were two piece and from the static position could get longer as the beam twisted but still acted as a strut when they were on the outside of a corner you may have something there http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
 

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Re: (Audi_S3_ARD:CD)

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And again I say... traction bars haha

And how would you go about setting those up on a VW style rear? I just can't picture it.
 

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Re: (zexxx)

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you guys thinck this will work on my mk2 jetta,weld those bars together.

No...
 

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Gas tank is in the way!

Plus, the idea is to keep the ends of the bars from spreading away from each other, without hindering the twisting of the main axle beam. You need to retain some flexability.


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Re: (zexxx)

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ok so what do i need to modifie on my drawing?

Why do you want to modify it from what the others have posted? I think just the tie bars like in the original can help slightly, but I don't really see the point, other than having some fun fabbing something up.
What are your goals?
 
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