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I mean, cool. I like fast cars and this isn't an exception.

That said, when Ferrari, Porsche, and McLaren all released supercars at the same time with no meaningful attempt at the record between the three of them, that tells you something. My feeling is that we've reached a point where power isn't a huge limiter for 4-wheeled-motoring. Kind of like what happened with motorcycles 20+ years ago.
 

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LOL dude...I'm about as Merica right now for this thing as the next guy, but the Veyron/Chiron motor has a lot left to give.
I wasn't as clear as I should have been. My comment wasn't so much "wow this thing is so much better than a Bugatti," (I'm sure the Bugatti is about a 500% better overall car) but rather a comment about how easy it has become to make this kind of insane power. In the early days of the land speed record, they were throwing everything they had at it, but now we have the SSC engineers taking how cool the exhaust sounds into consideration and still beating the records.

Edit: Also, I just looked it up and didn't realize that E85 is better than high octane fuel. I had just assumed it was extra s****y because it's so cheap and made out of corn. :eek: They also don't really have it around here.
 

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Really disappointed to see some of the reactions here regarding this news. When Bugatti broke 300 people here lined up to suck their dick. But when an American firm does it the response is "So?". I love my country but we have a nasty habit of eating our own...
 

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I'm shocked the record had so much higher to go post-veyron, the last record I was aware of was the 261 from a 1200 hp version of the Bugatti, and I thought the outgoing record was somewhere in the 270s.


I think the Veyron was more a symptom of German overengineering than anything else. Plus, "W16 quad turbo" gathers headlines in a way a twin turbo v8 does not. And to be fair, the current iteration of the W16 in the Chiron makes around 1,600hp on pump gas. With E85, it could probably make 2,000+
Ferdinand Piech was a madman- a wonderful, brilliant madman responsible for some of VAG's most iconic cars in the 2000s.

As mentioned upthread the Veyron is an incredible engineering accomplishment in no small part because it's no more difficult or inconvenient to drive than any typical volume car.

Why is street legal ground vehicle terminal velocity a limit that needs testing? How will this benefit anyone beyond a tiny group of employees working at a small handful of boutique manufacturers who are doing it for profit? What if those same people poured their talents into making something that solved a different problem? It’s not like SSC is creating new materials/ applications or manufacturing techniques like Koenigsegg. It seems SSC are just doing the typical American “more is better” approach.
Sir, this is a Wendys.

Any mfg should have to make at least somewhere around 300 examples to qualify for a "production car". For example: the homologation Rally B class, 200 examples had to be made.
Unless you're Lancia, and you do some trickery to convince them you made 200;)

But I agree. If they can actually build 100 it's fair to consider it a "production" car, Like an Exige or Lotus 7.
 

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Really disappointed to see some of the reactions here regarding this news. When Bugatti broke 300 people here lined up to suck their dick. But when an American firm does it the response is "So?". I love my country but we have a nasty habit of eating our own...
I'm guessing because this feels much more like a prototype than the Veyron does in the context of production; I mean that engine is sweet but if you told me someone it was an LMP1 motor with a bigger turbo and no intake restrictor I'd believe it. And anyway I wasn't any more excited about the Veyron. It felt to me more of a Land-based Cigarette boat than sports car.

Really, I think once cars get to ~5-600hp or so, going higher really just becomes power for the sake of power--if 200mph isn't enough, better off moving to airplanes. I know there's arguments for tire research and stuff, but we're pretty well tapped out in terms of straightaways and other hazards anyway.
 

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I'm shocked the record had so much higher to go post-veyron, the last record I was aware of was the 261 from a 1200 hp version of the Bugatti, and I thought the outgoing record was somewhere in the 270s.

I think a lot of the limitation of the Veyron was tire related. I seem to remember watching a video of a top speed run, and it still was pulling fine, and had more to go.

This is on a set of $40,000 tires glued to the wheels by a specially trained technician.

I wonder where SSC found a set of tires rated to go this fast? Or did they just throw caution to the wind?
 

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I'm guessing because this feels much more like a prototype than the Veyron does in the context of production; I mean that engine is sweet but if you told me someone it was an LMP1 motor with a bigger turbo and no intake restrictor I'd believe it. And anyway I wasn't any more excited about the Veyron. It felt to me more of a Land-based Cigarette boat than sports car.

Really, I think once cars get to ~5-600hp or so, going higher really just becomes power for the sake of power--if 200mph isn't enough, better off moving to airplanes. I know there's arguments for tire research and stuff, but we're pretty well tapped out in terms of straightaways and other hazards anyway.
The Bugatti was also on a VW-owned track that looked like it was in the middle of a forest (no side winds). This was done on a public road. A public American road in the desert. If that doesn't tell you something then I don't know what else to say. As for the benefits, it could help with stability at lower speeds as well. The thing about discoveries and achievements is that you never know where they will take you.
 

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Lol @ Reisner.

The criticism isn’t about American anti-nationalism (which, for the record, is a -good thing-).. it’s that this effort doesn’t push any meaningful boundaries that will benefit society.

It’s a rich man’s fantasy, built out in small numbers for other rich men to brag about but never personally achieve.

For the record, I also think the Veyron (and Chiron, and frankly any hypercar) are fundamentally frivolous. But at least you can try to make the argument that cars like the 918 had engineering ‘trickle down’ effects into more plebeian models like electrified Panameras and Cayennes, where now people can have big power with relatively improved emissions and fuel efficiency.

At this point in history, every quest for engineering superlatives should be directed at something with a net positive effect on our existence. No matter who built it, this dumb car with a dumb name is a one-off flight of fancy for billionaires and has no meaningful impact on the world. That is the criticism.
 

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Lol @ Reisner.

The criticism isn’t about American anti-nationalism (which, for the record, is a -good thing-).. it’s that this effort doesn’t push any meaningful boundaries that will benefit society.

It’s a rich man’s fantasy, built out in small numbers for other rich men to brag about but never personally achieve.

For the record, I also think the Veyron (and Chiron, and frankly any hypercar) are fundamentally frivolous. But at least you can try to make the argument that cars like the 918 had engineering ‘trickle down’ effects into more plebeian models like electrified Panameras and Cayennes, where now people can have big power with relatively improved emissions and fuel efficiency.

At this point in history, every quest for engineering superlatives should be directed at something with a net positive effect on our existence. No matter who built it, this dumb car with a dumb name is a one-off flight of fancy for billionaires and has no meaningful impact on the world. That is the criticism.
Spoken like a true socialist. If you're under thirty, I can say that you'll wise up eventually. If you're over thirty, it's terminal. You're too far gone.
 

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The criticism isn’t about American anti-nationalism (which, for the record, is a -good thing-).. it’s that this effort doesn’t push any meaningful boundaries that will benefit society.

It’s a rich man’s fantasy, built out in small numbers for other rich men to brag about but never personally achieve.
I’m with you. Modern supercars are stupid, a frivolous waste of resources. Meanwhile, the world is burning and people are dying. I want to live in a post supercar world where cars like the SSC and Bugatti are relegated to occasional exhibitions (think Goodwood Festival of Speed) that demonstrate a bygone era, a history that poisoned the earth and was part of an industry that perpetuated conflict for over a century.
 

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I want to live in a post supercar world where cars like the SSC and Bugatti are relegated to occasional exhibitions (think Goodwood Festival of Speed)
Uhhh... putting the rest of that post aside, isn't this what they already are? Who actually drives these cars to the store every day? They only come out for special occasions.
 

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Spoken like a true socialist. If you're under thirty, I can say that you'll wise up eventually. If you're over thirty, it's terminal. You're too far gone.

Yeah, bud, I am a true socialist. I know myself with a level of integrity you undoubtedly will never achieve, even in your old age and disillusionment.
 

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Spoken like a true socialist. If you're under thirty, I can say that you'll wise up eventually. If you're over thirty, it's terminal. You're too far gone.
What's hilarious is that you think calling someone a socialist might be construed as insulting. The poster's comments were perfectly legit and hardly socialist at all. These cars are completely indefensible. There is nothing that justifies a car like this. Nothing at all.
 

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What's hilarious is that you think calling someone a socialist might be construed as insulting. The poster's comments were perfectly legit and hardly socialist at all. These cars are completely indefensible. There is nothing that justifies a car like this. Nothing at all.
It should be insulting. We fought the Cold War for a reason and socialism should be a dead idea from a bygone era, along with eugenics and colonialism, amongst others. But, no. The diehards look fondly at such times, forgetting the millions of deaths and misery it caused while the young (and stupid) ponder its theoretical capabilities or just find it cool because of the fringe politicians that continue to hawk it. Some people just never learn and are hellbent on repeating the mistakes of the past.

We live in a free society. If someone wants to build such cars and is willing to put up his/her money, time and effort, I say good for them. If someone wants to buy it, good for them as well. You and I may disagree on the utility of such projects but no one person should dictate to another what they can and cannot do. Moreover, these people are not reselling rocks as luxury items. They are not reinventing the wheel. They are pushing automotive engineering to new levels. No one, not even them, knows where that could lead. That is the magic of science. The applications may be more than hypercars.
 

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Spoken like a true socialist. If you're under thirty, I can say that you'll wise up eventually. If you're over thirty, it's terminal. You're too far gone.
None of what he said was socialist. Socialism is workers controlling the means of production. You're conflating socialism with communism and mistaking social programs and wanting to live in a society that helps their fellow man with either of those.

I happen to agree with you about the SSC and want to live in a world where people push the boundaries of what's possible. I understand and support land speed record runs and have forever. I love supercars and understand them AND love EVs and want to make the world a better place. it is possible to love and enjoy both.

All of racing is wasteful of resources, be it land speed record runs or Le Mans, or amateur sports car racing, drag racing and dirt track (most of which is just vanity and has no practical application to day to day transportation). As a car guy, however, I want those to survive. As a practical matter, I also know that in the larger picture, they waste very little resources compared to day to day transportation. The criticisms of this record run and car can be leveled at things that most people on here love about cars. How many of you railing against the SSC and it's record run are in the F1 thread complaining about it being a rich man's sport and a waste of resources? Where's the arbitrary line you've drawn as to what's justifiable and not?
 

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I used to watch Formula1, and even attended races at Indy for some context on my lifelong interest in the sport and cars in general.

At that time (2004ish?), our nation was embroiled in yet another Middle East oil war, using terrorism as the proxy, and consumer gasoline prices were skyrocketing and pinching working class and low income laborers budgets. Some people had to choose between gas and food.

Did I feel a sense of guilt about my presence at Indianapolis, watching Alonso and Raikonnen best Schumacher? Yes. I did. Did I question the purpose of the sport in general, as wars raged and V10 engines guzzled fossil fuels to enrich Bernie Ecclestone, while ordinary folks outside the Speedway in Indianapolis were struggling to make ends meet? Absolutely yes.


I’m not saying that someone shouldn’t be allowed to build a Tuatara or race Formula1, or somehow make those pursuits illegal and punishable. I’m just calling them for what they are: frivolous rich man’s endeavors, benefiting an exceptional minority who never cared to do anything but for themselves.
 

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Its honestly heartwarming to know that we've been in the midst of another speed war for the last year or two.

Back and forth constantly between Hennessey, Bugatti, Koenigsegg and SSC.

Its fun to just watch and not take side to be totally honest.

I wouldn't be totally surprised if some more independent manufacturers came out of the woodwork now to join in on the fun.
 

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I’m just calling them for what they are: frivolous rich man’s endeavors, benefiting an exceptional minority who never cared to do anything but for themselves.
You're not just calling them for what they are, you're insulting them for what you think they are and dismissing them out of hand, which is hypocritical on a car board. Bringing it to a personal level, you might as well say the same thing in RVAE34s thread about his AMG wagon, which is just a rich man's plaything out of reach of most of us. I dare you to go over there and insult him and his car using the same logic you're using here.
 
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