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Re: Whats the best cai in the market for 1.8t engines (1.8t caracterized)
Check out Masonbrick's new CIA. pertty sweet!! The thread is "CIA in bayarea" I think.
Check out Masonbrick's new CIA. pertty sweet!! The thread is "CIA in bayarea" I think.
Re: Whats the best cai in the market for 1.8t engines (1.8t caracterized)
evo?!
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=243154
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evo?!
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=243154
Re: Whats the best cai in the market for 1.8t engines (John A)
Yes John, EVO. Some of us have gotten nice gains from it:
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=192796
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Yes John, EVO. Some of us have gotten nice gains from it:
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=192796
Re: Whats the best cai in the market for 1.8t engines (John A)
The jury is still out on these to be honest. Sort of the same debate with the 2.5" vs. 3" exhaust debate.
quote:[HR][/HR]odd that so few of ALL the evo owners notice any gains... and how many have had any proof at all?
[HR][/HR]
Some people have showed gains with the BMC CDA. Other people have run various tests (including Block 120) and seen no gain or even a slight loss.[HR][/HR]
The jury is still out on these to be honest. Sort of the same debate with the 2.5" vs. 3" exhaust debate.
Re: Whats the best cai in the market for 1.8t engines (1.8t caracterized)
It's interesting that we think we (meaning the aftermarket) can improve damn near everything on the car.
Then there are parts, that for some reason, are crapped on mostly by people who:
1. Don't own it
2. Haven't tried it
3. Won't come out of their know-all shell and buy one
4. Won't spring for testing
And hell, you could run tests on
-A dynojet
-Then a mustang
-With temp sensors on the filter/midway up the pipe/TB/manifold
-Coupled with road tests using block 120's
-And GPS tracking
Then GO BACK IN TIME (to replicate conditions) and do it all again with the airbox...and people will STILL crap on it.
Those of us who own these things are wrong until we "prove" it. Those who have stock stuff are "right" until we disprove them.
Riiiight.
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PS-this is being spoken in generalities. Please don't think YOU are being pointed out.
[Modified by Jman5000, 1:19 PM 2-13-2002]
It's interesting that we think we (meaning the aftermarket) can improve damn near everything on the car.
Then there are parts, that for some reason, are crapped on mostly by people who:
1. Don't own it
2. Haven't tried it
3. Won't come out of their know-all shell and buy one
4. Won't spring for testing
And hell, you could run tests on
-A dynojet
-Then a mustang
-With temp sensors on the filter/midway up the pipe/TB/manifold
-Coupled with road tests using block 120's
-And GPS tracking
Then GO BACK IN TIME (to replicate conditions) and do it all again with the airbox...and people will STILL crap on it.
Those of us who own these things are wrong until we "prove" it. Those who have stock stuff are "right" until we disprove them.
Riiiight.
PS-this is being spoken in generalities. Please don't think YOU are being pointed out.
[Modified by Jman5000, 1:19 PM 2-13-2002]
Re: Whats the best cai in the market for 1.8t engines (John A)
i wouldn't buy the EVOI just cause the dumb thing falls apart while you're driving. And don't tell me its install error cause its happened to to many people out there, including tyrolkid who is a mechanic. Some dyno's show gains some don't. I'm making over 200hp on the stock filter if anything I'll just get an ITG drop in 50 bucks and reusable
Mike
i wouldn't buy the EVOI just cause the dumb thing falls apart while you're driving. And don't tell me its install error cause its happened to to many people out there, including tyrolkid who is a mechanic. Some dyno's show gains some don't. I'm making over 200hp on the stock filter if anything I'll just get an ITG drop in 50 bucks and reusable
Mike
Re: Whats the best cai in the market for 1.8t engines (John A)
Spoken like someone w/a superiority complex.
Since you have no idea of my motivation to buy a part, say whatcha like. Doesn't make it true though.
The point above is that despite test A, B, C, for whatever reason, people don't believe any of it. More power/less power/about the same...
And with that...I leave this fray.
[Modified by Jman5000, 1:42 PM 2-13-2002]
Spoken like someone w/a superiority complex.
Since you have no idea of my motivation to buy a part, say whatcha like. Doesn't make it true though.
The point above is that despite test A, B, C, for whatever reason, people don't believe any of it. More power/less power/about the same...
And with that...I leave this fray.
[Modified by Jman5000, 1:42 PM 2-13-2002]
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Re: Whats the best cai in the market for 1.8t engines (Jman5000)
Has there ever been an actual side-by-side competition with CAI's like there was with the exhaust? If not, is there at least anyone that has had more then ONE? Just my .02
Has there ever been an actual side-by-side competition with CAI's like there was with the exhaust? If not, is there at least anyone that has had more then ONE? Just my .02
Re: Whats the best cai in the market for 1.8t engines (ptaylor311)
I ran the block 120 comparison of a K&N Panel (stock airbox) vs. the EVO CAI. I posted a link above. There is another comparison on a real dyno of the stock filter, K&N, BMC Panel, then the BMC CDA. The saw pretty good gains from the CDA.
Other people have not seen such results. I was very careful to run the tests under identical conditions on the same road.
I just ran a before/after block 120 of the Neuspeed Inlet Pipe. Supposedly good for 7hp on a stock car, and one person with a K04 saw 12-18hp gains across the range. I did a crappy job controlling for temps and other conditions, and saw little if any indicated gain from it despite the fact that others have.
I guess my point is that your mileage may vary.
I ran the block 120 comparison of a K&N Panel (stock airbox) vs. the EVO CAI. I posted a link above. There is another comparison on a real dyno of the stock filter, K&N, BMC Panel, then the BMC CDA. The saw pretty good gains from the CDA.
Other people have not seen such results. I was very careful to run the tests under identical conditions on the same road.
I just ran a before/after block 120 of the Neuspeed Inlet Pipe. Supposedly good for 7hp on a stock car, and one person with a K04 saw 12-18hp gains across the range. I did a crappy job controlling for temps and other conditions, and saw little if any indicated gain from it despite the fact that others have.
I guess my point is that your mileage may vary.
Re: Whats the best cai in the market for 1.8t engines (Jman5000)
quote:[HR][/HR]It's interesting that we think we (meaning the aftermarket) can improve damn near everything on the car.
Then there are parts, that for some reason, are crapped on mostly by people who:
1. Don't own it
2. Haven't tried it
3. Won't come out of their know-all shell and buy one
4. Won't spring for testing[HR][/HR]
That statement is SOOOOOO true. http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gifThen there are parts, that for some reason, are crapped on mostly by people who:
1. Don't own it
2. Haven't tried it
3. Won't come out of their know-all shell and buy one
4. Won't spring for testing[HR][/HR]
Re: Whats the best cai in the market for 1.8t engines (VWTornado)
It's not that the factory CAN'T improve on the performance, it's that they choose to balance performance with other considerations such as noise, cost, market segment of the car, "smoothness", ease of maintenance, reliability, etc. A lot of these aftermarket parts just take the "smooth" and quiet out (and often the reliable and ease of maintenance) and trade that for performance, at greater cost as well.
So yes, there is quite a bit that can be improved. Engine software is the bigget example, but intakes and exhausts make a difference too. There are more than enough dynos (real and block 120) to prove that.
It's not that the factory CAN'T improve on the performance, it's that they choose to balance performance with other considerations such as noise, cost, market segment of the car, "smoothness", ease of maintenance, reliability, etc. A lot of these aftermarket parts just take the "smooth" and quiet out (and often the reliable and ease of maintenance) and trade that for performance, at greater cost as well.
So yes, there is quite a bit that can be improved. Engine software is the bigget example, but intakes and exhausts make a difference too. There are more than enough dynos (real and block 120) to prove that.
Re: Whats the best cai in the market for 1.8t engines (dbrowne1)
EDIT: sorry Jman5000. u always make good points on the vortex, but i can't agree with ur post on this thread.
[Modified by scud6661, 10:13 PM 2-15-2002]
quote:[HR][/HR]It's not that the factory CAN'T improve on the performance, it's that they choose to balance performance with other considerations such as noise, cost, market segment of the car, "smoothness", ease of maintenance, reliability, etc. A lot of these aftermarket parts just take the "smooth" and quiet out (and often the reliable and ease of maintenance) and trade that for performance, at greater cost as well.
So yes, there is quite a bit that can be improved. Engine software is the bigget example, but intakes and exhausts make a difference too. There are more than enough dynos (real and block 120) to prove that.[HR][/HR]
was about to say the same. think of it asa scale where there's reliability on one side, while the other is performance. VW would want a balance of performance and reliabilty to avoid warranty work. but ppl in this forum represent the 99th percentile of VW drivers. thus we demand performance, and thus our demand for aftermarket parts. my conclusion? i believe everything on our cars can be modified to make the car faster, whether u want parts to be lighter, more efficient, tuned more aggressive, etc.So yes, there is quite a bit that can be improved. Engine software is the bigget example, but intakes and exhausts make a difference too. There are more than enough dynos (real and block 120) to prove that.[HR][/HR]
EDIT: sorry Jman5000. u always make good points on the vortex, but i can't agree with ur post on this thread.
[Modified by scud6661, 10:13 PM 2-15-2002]
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Re: Whats the best cai in the market for 1.8t engines (dbrowne1)
quote:[HR][/HR]
Some people have showed gains with the BMC CDA. Other people have run various tests (including Block 120) and seen no gain or even a slight loss.[HR][/HR]
I saw the slight loss with BMC CDA @ 5 different airfilter comparison test.Some people have showed gains with the BMC CDA. Other people have run various tests (including Block 120) and seen no gain or even a slight loss.[HR][/HR]
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Re: Whats the best cai in the market for 1.8t engines (JuheeSpeed)
Well I took mrdejected's advice and I got a hold of masonbrick (Ron) to check out his "custom" CAI. I was very impressed, so impressed I bought one
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!!!! I've seen just about all the models out there! Sure I can take one for a civic and rig it up to fit my Jetta, or some other brand that will just fall off while blasting down the fwy..... but why bother?
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Here's the link with some pics, mine pics soon to follow!
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=243167
If you need a SOLID CAI for the right price I recommend that you guys check out Ron's CAI!!! He currently only has powder coated silver, but he's going to have black and polish within a few weeks!
Thanks mrdejected!
Late...........
[Modified by VW_Disciple, 7:17 AM 2-16-2002]
Well I took mrdejected's advice and I got a hold of masonbrick (Ron) to check out his "custom" CAI. I was very impressed, so impressed I bought one
Here's the link with some pics, mine pics soon to follow!
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=243167
If you need a SOLID CAI for the right price I recommend that you guys check out Ron's CAI!!! He currently only has powder coated silver, but he's going to have black and polish within a few weeks!
Thanks mrdejected!
Late...........
[Modified by VW_Disciple, 7:17 AM 2-16-2002]
Re: Whats the best cai in the market for 1.8t engines (VW_Disciple)
My take on the EVO: great customer service/support, very aggressive sound, very loud, average fit and finish.
Couple points on the fit and finish. I don't really see why the EVO is a 3-pipe system. A 2-pipe intake would have been a much cleaner install yet still allowed for plenty of adjustability.
Also the material of the pipes (plastic?) was a real turn-off. Felt and looked very cheap. They would also actually DEFORM if the clamps were tightened too much. Although the good news was the plastic was soft enough so that it could be formed back into shape relatively easily.
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And as far as the performance aspects of the EVO (and CAI's in general), I'm not touching that subject with a 10ft pole....
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My tip would be to do another search on here and on audiworld, read through the myriad of info, and make up your own mind. http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif
My take on the EVO: great customer service/support, very aggressive sound, very loud, average fit and finish.
Couple points on the fit and finish. I don't really see why the EVO is a 3-pipe system. A 2-pipe intake would have been a much cleaner install yet still allowed for plenty of adjustability.
Also the material of the pipes (plastic?) was a real turn-off. Felt and looked very cheap. They would also actually DEFORM if the clamps were tightened too much. Although the good news was the plastic was soft enough so that it could be formed back into shape relatively easily.
And as far as the performance aspects of the EVO (and CAI's in general), I'm not touching that subject with a 10ft pole....
Re: Whats the best cai in the market for 1.8t engines (Jay24)
Also if you're after a colder intake charge and/or relief from heatsoak, might also want to look at IC misters. I think AxeAngel sells a kit for like $30 that uses your windshield washer reservoir. And there are other more expensive mister packages out there that use electronics to self-mist the IC.
Also if you're after a colder intake charge and/or relief from heatsoak, might also want to look at IC misters. I think AxeAngel sells a kit for like $30 that uses your windshield washer reservoir. And there are other more expensive mister packages out there that use electronics to self-mist the IC.
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