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Re: \\\\\\\\\ Whats the best rear sway bar? HELP me PLeASE! ///////// (John A)

Neuspeed http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif fully adjustable. good quality, and it looks good too
Excellent performance with no noise or vibrations.
 

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Re: \\\\\\\\\ Whats the best rear sway bar? HELP me PLeASE! ///////// (GTI628V)

whats the price of neuspeed 28mm? Would that work well with my wolfie's 23mm front sway bar, or will the 25mm rear works better? was there a group buy before? whas the group buy price? anyone interested in group buying neuspeed rear sway bar?
 

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Re: \\\\\\\\\ Whats the best rear sway bar? HELP me PLeASE! ///////// (helpmeplease)

I'm not the moderator of this forum, but please don't use \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\//////////////// in your title! Or any other characters that I've seen you use. Sorry, I don't mean to get on your case, but no one else does it and it gets pretty annoying. I don't know if it is a set rule or not, but its kind of obnoxious. Just like people don't use all CAPS BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THEY ARE YELLING. Just my opinion.


[Modified by MrFrostie, 10:27 PM 9-28-2001]
 

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Re: \\\\\\\\\ Whats the best rear sway bar? HELP me PLeASE! ///////// (helpmeplease)

WHT 'TH HELL IS THE EMERGENCY!!!! Jeez you sound like a needy ex girlfriend. Get a Neuspeed bar, it is easy to put on and has never given me trouble. As for heavy.. I kinda like a little weight in the back.
 

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Re: \\\\\\\\\ Whats the best rear sway bar? HELP me PLeASE! ///////// (helpmeplease)

i think if someone's building a race car, the shine bar is the way to go. when i build my dedicated auto-x car, that's the one i'll use.
i just went through this decision process.
autotech: light! (1/2 the weight of neuspeed?), stiff, won't cause the rear suspension to bind, non-adjustable, wide mount points, requires 2 minutes of drilling
neuspeed: heavy!, stiff, will cause the rear suspension to bind, adjustable, narrow mounting points, requires no drilling
autotech:

neuspeed:


anyone who thinks they're going to keep putting their car on a lift / jackstands to adjust a rear bar probably doesn't have one. i don't know anyone personally who has adjusted their rear bar, they all just went max stiff and never went back.
there are people in this forum who spend thousands of dollars on their cars, and spare no expense on anything if it's the best. go look what they've installed recently.
just my $.02
 

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Re: \\\\\\\\\ Whats the best rear sway bar? HELP me PLeASE! ///////// (John A)

I've been quite happy with the Shine bar ... plus since it integrates into the torsion beam I don't lose ground clearance nor can it be seen.



[Modified by pal, 9:19 AM 9-29-2001]
 

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Re: \\\\\\\\\ Whats the best rear sway bar? HELP me PLeASE! ///////// (John A)

quote:[HR][/HR]i think if someone's building a race car, the shine bar is the way to go.
when i build my dedicated auto-x car, that's the one i'll use. i just went
through this decision process.
autotech: light! (1/2 the weight of neuspeed?), stiff, won't cause the rear
suspension to bind, non-adjustable, wide mount points, requires 2 minutes of
drilling
neuspeed: heavy!, stiff, will cause the rear suspension to bind, adjustable, narrow mounting points, requires no drilling
anyone who thinks they're going to keep putting their car on a lift / jackstands to adjust a rear bar probably doesn't have one. i don't know anyone personally who has adjusted their rear bar, they all just went max stiff and never went back.
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The Shine bar is NOT a swaybar, it's a torsion beam stiffener. All it does is
reduce the amount of twist in the transverse portion of the rear axle beam
which in turn reduces the amount of deflection of the left and right trailing
arms. This bar does not have any effect on the actual wheel rate and is not
as effective as a real swaybar. It puts all the load on the area where the
trailing arm meets the transverse beam and is not a very efficient means
of controlling sway at the rear. It can lead to weakening and bending of the
trailing arms since there's nothing at the wheel where all the inputs are.
A true swaybar exerts the force at the wheel where it's supposed to be and
where it does the most good. The Neuspeed and Autotech bars are much more
effective and that's why they're so much thinner than a Shine/H&H type of
bar while being more effective.
The Shine bar is a direct copy of the old-school H&H rear bar, and neither of
them are legal in SCCA Street Prepared classes because it's not a swaybar.
You're not allowed to strengthen or re-inforce suspension components in
Street Prepared classes and since this is all the Shine/H&H bar is doing,
it's not legal and would not survive a protest. Just because the manufacturer
calls it a swaybar doesn't mean it is one. It is not. And it's orientation
doesn't conform to the rules regarding swaybars anyway (14.7 Anti-Roll/Sway
Bars) so it wouldn't be legal even if it were to be considered a swaybar.
A real swaybar attaches at or very near the wheel itself and reacts instantly
to inputs at that wheel where it does a lot more good. Neuspeed and Autotech
type bars are much more efficient than any torsion beam stiffener.
The Neuspeed rear bar is only 3 lbs lighther than the hollow bar, not half.
Three pounds is not noticable in the real world. The Neuspeed bar is stiffer
than a hollow bar which is the whole point. It does not bind as other
manufacturers claim since the adjustable turnbuckles and heim joints allow
for fluid movement throughout the suspension travel range. And those heim
joints are more direct than the Autotech rubber bushed mounts so the bar
is more efficient in use. The adjustability comes in handy when fine-tuning
the handling when other mods are tried, or other shock settings, or other
tire pressure settings, or for different driving environments like street,
track, autocross, or even for the winter. I used to adjust mine all the
time for various reasons, and i know tons of other VW performance drivers
who adjust theirs as well. Not everybody just sets it and forgets it, some
of us actually experiment and use the adjustability for it's intended purpose.
Of all the available rear bar setups, the Neuspeed is the best one of the bunch
for the true driving enthusiast who knows about suspensions and gets personally
involved in setting up his car's handling. The hollow swaybar would be ok for
a pure street car where the owner want's to set it and forget it, and it
would be more compliant than the Neuspeed. As for the Shine/H&H type bar,
i would never drill four big holes in my torsion beam as i think it would
weaken it and invite rust where the holes are.
 
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