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Re: WHEN WHEN WHEN???? (zeluiz22)
I wanna too..........
I wanna too..........
Re: WHEN WHEN WHEN???? (zeluiz22)
Someday.
Something over $24K
Nobody knows much yet. That's for sure.
Someday.
Something over $24K
Nobody knows much yet. That's for sure.
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Re: WHEN WHEN WHEN????
At that cost for the Jetta GLi (24v VR6 w/ 6-spd manual), your better off buying a loaded 2002 Audi A4 1.8T w/ 5-spd.
Have a fun time with your xenon lights, Bose stereo system, brushed aluminum trim, real factory sport suspension (lowering springs, shocks, F/R anti-roll bars, 17" rims on the right profile tires), nice tight black leather heated seats, etc. etc..
Plus, the value of an Audi is higher than a VW. Plus DEPRECIATION is tremendously better.
I bought my LOADED (except leather) 2001 Jetta GLS 1.8T/automatic for about $25K. If that is the case the Jetta GLi will definitely be priced higher. High enough to be in the price range of the 2002 Audi A4 spoke about above. That Audi A4 cost around $29K.
If I had to do it again, I would go Audi. Remember, the A4 has Quattro, thus making a upgrade such as APR's Stage 3+ worthy. Putting 300+ hp in a FWD doesn't make sense, BUT on a Quattro it makes ALL the sense.
At that cost for the Jetta GLi (24v VR6 w/ 6-spd manual), your better off buying a loaded 2002 Audi A4 1.8T w/ 5-spd.
Have a fun time with your xenon lights, Bose stereo system, brushed aluminum trim, real factory sport suspension (lowering springs, shocks, F/R anti-roll bars, 17" rims on the right profile tires), nice tight black leather heated seats, etc. etc..
Plus, the value of an Audi is higher than a VW. Plus DEPRECIATION is tremendously better.
I bought my LOADED (except leather) 2001 Jetta GLS 1.8T/automatic for about $25K. If that is the case the Jetta GLi will definitely be priced higher. High enough to be in the price range of the 2002 Audi A4 spoke about above. That Audi A4 cost around $29K.
If I had to do it again, I would go Audi. Remember, the A4 has Quattro, thus making a upgrade such as APR's Stage 3+ worthy. Putting 300+ hp in a FWD doesn't make sense, BUT on a Quattro it makes ALL the sense.
Re: WHEN WHEN WHEN???? (2001Bora)
I looked into the 2002 A4. The engine is fantastic. Music to my ears. I just found the interior to be a bit drab ("leatherette" is th eonly available seat cover, for example). Plus, by the time you add a moonroof, 17" wheels and such your at low thirties.
The problem is that they didn't want to compete luxury=wsie with the A4 3.0 model- which has all the trimmings.
I think the Jetta may be a better deal-- you just lose the status of an AUdi, but not the quality, in my opinion.
I looked into the 2002 A4. The engine is fantastic. Music to my ears. I just found the interior to be a bit drab ("leatherette" is th eonly available seat cover, for example). Plus, by the time you add a moonroof, 17" wheels and such your at low thirties.
The problem is that they didn't want to compete luxury=wsie with the A4 3.0 model- which has all the trimmings.
I think the Jetta may be a better deal-- you just lose the status of an AUdi, but not the quality, in my opinion.
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Re: WHEN WHEN WHEN???? (zeluiz22)
Remember, the A4 chassis is an old design when compared to the B6 chassis that the new 2002 Audi A4 is built on.
Our old A4 chassis are starting to show its age with a lot of vibration/creak noises. I hate it in my car. If your going to spend $25+K you don't want to have a car that creaks/vibrates.
The 2002 Audi A4, once the upgrades are developed for it, is a better car to tune!
Nothing like 310+ HP going to all for wheels. I have a few dealers pricing loaded Audi A4's in the high 29's to very very low 30's. It's so close that a few hundred more doesn't matter.
Plus your options are so limited with VW.
[Modified by 2001Bora, 5:58 PM 12-1-2001]
Remember, the A4 chassis is an old design when compared to the B6 chassis that the new 2002 Audi A4 is built on.
Our old A4 chassis are starting to show its age with a lot of vibration/creak noises. I hate it in my car. If your going to spend $25+K you don't want to have a car that creaks/vibrates.
The 2002 Audi A4, once the upgrades are developed for it, is a better car to tune!
Nothing like 310+ HP going to all for wheels. I have a few dealers pricing loaded Audi A4's in the high 29's to very very low 30's. It's so close that a few hundred more doesn't matter.
Plus your options are so limited with VW.
[Modified by 2001Bora, 5:58 PM 12-1-2001]
Re: WHEN WHEN WHEN???? (2001Bora)
I agree there. There is absolutely no question that the new A4 is fantastic platform, great engine, hanfles like a dream. The only drawbacks, I think, are, again, the luxury they left out to prevent crossovers from the A4 3.0. That "leatherette", even though it feels and looks great, hurts me in a deep, materialistic area of my psyche.
Another problem is that they are in such demand that dealers won't bargain. MSRP and close to it is the best you'll get.
Finally, the six-speed Jetta will have 30hp stocl over it and, well, that sixth speed. It will aslo be available in 4motion which is exactly quattro.
I'll be moving down from an S4, largely for money reasons, and want some speed, luxury and quality for a lower price.
I'm hoping. although it's speculation til I drive one, that this 24v VR6 may provide that.
I agree there. There is absolutely no question that the new A4 is fantastic platform, great engine, hanfles like a dream. The only drawbacks, I think, are, again, the luxury they left out to prevent crossovers from the A4 3.0. That "leatherette", even though it feels and looks great, hurts me in a deep, materialistic area of my psyche.
Another problem is that they are in such demand that dealers won't bargain. MSRP and close to it is the best you'll get.
Finally, the six-speed Jetta will have 30hp stocl over it and, well, that sixth speed. It will aslo be available in 4motion which is exactly quattro.
I'll be moving down from an S4, largely for money reasons, and want some speed, luxury and quality for a lower price.
I'm hoping. although it's speculation til I drive one, that this 24v VR6 may provide that.
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Re: WHEN WHEN WHEN???? (2001Bora)
Trust me you are better spend money, instead of sourcing european parts, into real persformance.
For the Jetta GLi, you'll have to source 1.2K for the xenon's with NO autolevel or headlamp washers. You need to drop $400 to get the OEM brushed aluminum dash. Monsoon isn't such a great premium stereo after listening to Audi's Bose stereo.
There is not much different from the 18.T and the 3.0 except for the wood trimming (not my taste) and the navigation (which is not an LCD monitor, its a little direction indicator built to the multifunction information center.
Black leatherette versus black leather, doesn't make such a big difference. Anyways, you can always drop $900-1K at a custom installer to get a two-tone leather seat cover replacement installed.
Trust me you are better spend money, instead of sourcing european parts, into real persformance.
For the Jetta GLi, you'll have to source 1.2K for the xenon's with NO autolevel or headlamp washers. You need to drop $400 to get the OEM brushed aluminum dash. Monsoon isn't such a great premium stereo after listening to Audi's Bose stereo.
There is not much different from the 18.T and the 3.0 except for the wood trimming (not my taste) and the navigation (which is not an LCD monitor, its a little direction indicator built to the multifunction information center.
Black leatherette versus black leather, doesn't make such a big difference. Anyways, you can always drop $900-1K at a custom installer to get a two-tone leather seat cover replacement installed.
Re: WHEN WHEN WHEN???? (2001Bora)
You may be right. I'll wait til the GLi comes out, and spend some time testing both. Maybe by then, the demand on A4's will have receded a little, and dealers will be more forgiving.
You may be right. I'll wait til the GLi comes out, and spend some time testing both. Maybe by then, the demand on A4's will have receded a little, and dealers will be more forgiving.
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Re: WHEN WHEN WHEN???? (2001Bora)
4-Motion unfortunately may be held back until the A5 (MkV) chassis. They won't bring over 4-Motion for our US MkIV's.
The Audi A4 has a real number of 180 HP but its advertised as 170 HP. The 24v VR6 is advertised at 201 HP. That may change by the time they bring the 24v VR6 over. I don't know if they are going to bring the 3.2 VR6 24v which is 230 HP.
However, remember the 1.8T is well-known to react well with aftermarket chips.
On the turbo kit side, due to the unavailability of 4-Motion, a Quattro is better for 310+ HP turbo kits than an FWD setup.
4-Motion unfortunately may be held back until the A5 (MkV) chassis. They won't bring over 4-Motion for our US MkIV's.
The Audi A4 has a real number of 180 HP but its advertised as 170 HP. The 24v VR6 is advertised at 201 HP. That may change by the time they bring the 24v VR6 over. I don't know if they are going to bring the 3.2 VR6 24v which is 230 HP.
However, remember the 1.8T is well-known to react well with aftermarket chips.
On the turbo kit side, due to the unavailability of 4-Motion, a Quattro is better for 310+ HP turbo kits than an FWD setup.
Re: WHEN WHEN WHEN???? (2001Bora)
Does that mean no 4motion planned at all for this 2002 GLi? Do you know a webpage that details all this stuff?
Does that mean no 4motion planned at all for this 2002 GLi? Do you know a webpage that details all this stuff?
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Re: WHEN WHEN WHEN???? (2001Bora)
About the demand, considering how the economy is, you might want to look to surrounding states when trying to find dealers. Some dealers are pricing Audi's at laughing prices. Yes, they are slashing prices on 2002 Audi A4's.
The economy isn't doing that great and APR is so low now; if you have the money right now you are in a buyers market.
I found my exact specs for my car in a 2002; I actually tried to trade in my 2001 to find a 2002 with the exact option except for the 5-spd manual. I got quoted $24K... however, I found a dealer selling a loaded 2002 Jetta 1.8/5-spd for around 20.5K.. DARN that is low!!!
With that being said, there is bound to be a few dealers out there not doing well; that is your call to move in to make the kill!!!
About the demand, considering how the economy is, you might want to look to surrounding states when trying to find dealers. Some dealers are pricing Audi's at laughing prices. Yes, they are slashing prices on 2002 Audi A4's.
The economy isn't doing that great and APR is so low now; if you have the money right now you are in a buyers market.
I found my exact specs for my car in a 2002; I actually tried to trade in my 2001 to find a 2002 with the exact option except for the 5-spd manual. I got quoted $24K... however, I found a dealer selling a loaded 2002 Jetta 1.8/5-spd for around 20.5K.. DARN that is low!!!
With that being said, there is bound to be a few dealers out there not doing well; that is your call to move in to make the kill!!!
Re: WHEN WHEN WHEN???? (2001Bora)
Do you mean you got your 2002 A4 for 24K?
Do you mean you got your 2002 A4 for 24K?
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Re: WHEN WHEN WHEN???? (2001Bora)
I have no official information, but just think about it; it doesn't take much thinking. VW has kept the goods from US customers, and world will flip upside down, the day VW will give Dubbers what they wanted.
If they can't give us a full HID option with auto-level and headlamp washers... why would they give us 4-Motion?
How come we didn't get the Beetle RSi (4-Motion + 3.2 VR6 24v)? They are planning on making a Golf RSi and quite possibly a Jetta RSi. But be realistic and mellow for a bit, you know and us 'Tex members knows it won't happen. Not with the A4 chassis. However, the A5 chassis will be advertised with 4-Motion in the US, whenever that happens.
I have no official information, but just think about it; it doesn't take much thinking. VW has kept the goods from US customers, and world will flip upside down, the day VW will give Dubbers what they wanted.
If they can't give us a full HID option with auto-level and headlamp washers... why would they give us 4-Motion?
How come we didn't get the Beetle RSi (4-Motion + 3.2 VR6 24v)? They are planning on making a Golf RSi and quite possibly a Jetta RSi. But be realistic and mellow for a bit, you know and us 'Tex members knows it won't happen. Not with the A4 chassis. However, the A5 chassis will be advertised with 4-Motion in the US, whenever that happens.
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Re: WHEN WHEN WHEN???? (zeluiz22)
However, I found from the internet a few dealers pricing that exact Jetta at 20.5K.
So you have to look beyond the horizon to your surrounding states. If you find the car, call up and set a few days off. Finish the transaction and drive back happy knowing you got the best deal in your power.
Eh, I don't mind flying across 2 states (cheap airline tickets) and doing a deal. Find the target dealer and get the deal and drive home!!!
quote:[HR][/HR]Do you mean you got your 2002 A4 for 24K? [HR][/HR]
No, I was giving an example for a loaded 2002 Jetta 1.8T/manual... I got 24K from the local dealers...However, I found from the internet a few dealers pricing that exact Jetta at 20.5K.
So you have to look beyond the horizon to your surrounding states. If you find the car, call up and set a few days off. Finish the transaction and drive back happy knowing you got the best deal in your power.
Eh, I don't mind flying across 2 states (cheap airline tickets) and doing a deal. Find the target dealer and get the deal and drive home!!!
Re: WHEN WHEN WHEN???? (2001Bora)
I understand that those 1.8 T's are selling very cheap these days, and that is very tempting. How is the body motion, stability in that car.
Any vibration?
How's the wind noise?
I understand that those 1.8 T's are selling very cheap these days, and that is very tempting. How is the body motion, stability in that car.
Any vibration?
How's the wind noise?
quote:[HR][/HR]At that cost for the Jetta GLi (24v VR6 w/ 6-spd manual), your better off buying a loaded 2002 Audi A4 1.8T w/ 5-spd.
Plus, the value of an Audi is higher than a VW. Plus DEPRECIATION is tremendously better.
If I had to do it again, I would go Audi. Remember, the A4 has Quattro, thus making a upgrade such as APR's Stage 3+ worthy. Putting 300+ hp in a FWD doesn't make sense, BUT on a Quattro it makes ALL the sense.[HR][/HR]
Hmm your description of the Bora is a bit out, but let me say this.Plus, the value of an Audi is higher than a VW. Plus DEPRECIATION is tremendously better.
If I had to do it again, I would go Audi. Remember, the A4 has Quattro, thus making a upgrade such as APR's Stage 3+ worthy. Putting 300+ hp in a FWD doesn't make sense, BUT on a Quattro it makes ALL the sense.[HR][/HR]
the A4 shifter ****s all over the Bora's
The stance and handling of the A4 is extraordinary
The luxury of the A4 is amazing. No creaks or rattles.
But having said that,
1. I have burnt every 1.8T Quattro that I have passed.
2. I come close to the 325Ci (though on paper, the Bora is supposed to be faster, but the stock shifter is so slow compared to their shifters).
Also, in Australia, and I would have thought it is comparably relative, the A4 1.8T Quattro on the road takes it to about AUD$70,000, that is a good AUD$12,000 more than the the V6 Bora 4motion.
With that, I could if I wanted to, added sway bars, stiffer suspensions, and wide wheels, chip and I know the only 'A'4 I cant burn will be the S-series.
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so what's your bottom line?
so what's your bottom line?
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Re: (zeluiz22)
Kinda lost from our 'Tex member over in the land down under.
Over in the US a 2002 Jetta GLX 24v VR6 6-spd cost over 25K. The internet price for a loaded 2002 Audi A4/5-spd is ver close around 30K.
That is less than $5K difference. With that much difference its an obvious decision to choose the B6 chassis over the A4 chassis; note I said chassis.
It also comes down to basic engineering to understand to what limit is HP is wasted on a FWD. You can put more useful power down on an AWD car than a FWD.
I was talking about down the road potential for the Audi A4 Quattro over the Jetta GLi FWD. Definitely, http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif the Audi A4.
Kinda lost from our 'Tex member over in the land down under.
Over in the US a 2002 Jetta GLX 24v VR6 6-spd cost over 25K. The internet price for a loaded 2002 Audi A4/5-spd is ver close around 30K.
That is less than $5K difference. With that much difference its an obvious decision to choose the B6 chassis over the A4 chassis; note I said chassis.
It also comes down to basic engineering to understand to what limit is HP is wasted on a FWD. You can put more useful power down on an AWD car than a FWD.
I was talking about down the road potential for the Audi A4 Quattro over the Jetta GLi FWD. Definitely, http://****************.com/smile/emthup.gif the Audi A4.
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