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Why doesnt vw race the new r32 in wrc? i mean its a perfect size there selling it to the general public , why not wrc it?
why not r32?
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Re: why not r32? (JUSTAGL)
ahhhhhh i see , and i am sure that there will be many independent racers like in scca. B/c i bet they would be an excellent rally car.
ahhhhhh i see , and i am sure that there will be many independent racers like in scca. B/c i bet they would be an excellent rally car.
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Re: why not r32? (JUSTAGL)
man i just wish some station in the states here aired that
man i just wish some station in the states here aired that
it needs to be a 2.0T (FIA rules) and the 4motion system found in MkIV's sucks...
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Re: why not r32? (dolemite)
That does get a little aggrivating for the die-hard VW guys. "Look, there goes a VW around the bend and... right into a tree."
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| because VW are content with having skoda fail miserably without any proper funding |
That does get a little aggrivating for the die-hard VW guys. "Look, there goes a VW around the bend and... right into a tree."
yeah- that's what people are hoping. but i can't see it happening. VAG already has Skoda in WRC- I don't think they'll put a VW in.
Re: (NoDubJustYet)
The new head of VW Racing has made it clear VW will not be in the WRC.
The R32 may be an OK car for US's PGT class but with out a turbo it may be lacking in torque over a broad RPM range.
WRC cars are effectively limited to 2.0L at this point.
The car is rather heavy something that will not be fixed in the PGT class as the limits on removing mass.
It looks like a very nice road car, one I may buy but not the best platform for the current rules in rally.
Derek
The new head of VW Racing has made it clear VW will not be in the WRC.
The R32 may be an OK car for US's PGT class but with out a turbo it may be lacking in torque over a broad RPM range.
WRC cars are effectively limited to 2.0L at this point.
The car is rather heavy something that will not be fixed in the PGT class as the limits on removing mass.
It looks like a very nice road car, one I may buy but not the best platform for the current rules in rally.
Derek
Re: (prana)
Everyone is forgetting about Seat. They ran a Cordoba and were more successful than Skoda. The R32 is not right fo a number of reasons but I disagree about PGT here in states. A WRX is 3300lbs and an Evo is just as heavy. How is the Golf too heavy?
Everyone is forgetting about Seat. They ran a Cordoba and were more successful than Skoda. The R32 is not right fo a number of reasons but I disagree about PGT here in states. A WRX is 3300lbs and an Evo is just as heavy. How is the Golf too heavy?
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Good point on how much the other cars wiegh, and with them using 32mm restrictors poss the R32 will be the right stuff in PGT.
A lot of people do not like the Hadix system but I understand you can reporgram it and it was developed by a rallyest - so poss it is OK. Hmmm might be a good car in that class afterall.
Good point on how much the other cars wiegh, and with them using 32mm restrictors poss the R32 will be the right stuff in PGT.
A lot of people do not like the Hadix system but I understand you can reporgram it and it was developed by a rallyest - so poss it is OK. Hmmm might be a good car in that class afterall.
apparently the R32 is being raced: http://www.vwmotorsport.com/re...D=145
Re: (NoDubJustYet)
Ouch the 1.6L VW polo with 2wd finishes 3rd and the R32 with big stomping 3.2L and 4wd finsishes 11th.
This illistrates a point I was just talking to someone about, race cars take develoupment, lots of develoupment to bring to thier peek. There is likely nothing wrong with the r32 vs the polo, one has however been rallyed for years the other has not.
We also do not know what spec the R32 was, GpN? (I did not see it homologated last time I looked) or some national class? A S1600 Polo is a full on race car.
DKB
Ouch the 1.6L VW polo with 2wd finishes 3rd and the R32 with big stomping 3.2L and 4wd finsishes 11th.
This illistrates a point I was just talking to someone about, race cars take develoupment, lots of develoupment to bring to thier peek. There is likely nothing wrong with the r32 vs the polo, one has however been rallyed for years the other has not.
We also do not know what spec the R32 was, GpN? (I did not see it homologated last time I looked) or some national class? A S1600 Polo is a full on race car.
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Re: (dbottles)
i think the car is too heavy, and vw needs to make the car much better suited for rallly situations.
i think the car is too heavy, and vw needs to make the car much better suited for rallly situations.
Re: (4thChirpinGTI)
i think every production car that comes off the lot is too heavy for professional rallye racing. too the best of my knowledge the WRC, BRC and SCCA pro cars are all super stripped down. They can't use a production R32 engine anyway... it's 1.2 liters too big. The Skoda Fabia will be the one and only VAG product competing in WRC as a company sponsored vehicle. Skoda is having enough problems, VAG should focus on the Fabia before it attempts to enter another car in a top group like that. Also, remember marketing... why would VW enter a car with a 7 year old body style? Look at Peugeot, in order to sell more 307's, the switched from the 206. Mitsubishi introduced the new Evo. Skoda switched from the aging Octavia to the Fabia. Even if VW wanted to enter WRC with their own car it would never be the R32...
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| i think the car is too heavy, and vw needs to make the car much better suited for rallly situations. |
i think every production car that comes off the lot is too heavy for professional rallye racing. too the best of my knowledge the WRC, BRC and SCCA pro cars are all super stripped down. They can't use a production R32 engine anyway... it's 1.2 liters too big. The Skoda Fabia will be the one and only VAG product competing in WRC as a company sponsored vehicle. Skoda is having enough problems, VAG should focus on the Fabia before it attempts to enter another car in a top group like that. Also, remember marketing... why would VW enter a car with a 7 year old body style? Look at Peugeot, in order to sell more 307's, the switched from the 206. Mitsubishi introduced the new Evo. Skoda switched from the aging Octavia to the Fabia. Even if VW wanted to enter WRC with their own car it would never be the R32...
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Re: (NoDubJustYet)
don't the new mk5 gti's have a 2.0 16v turbo? is this the same motor that is in the skoda?
don't the new mk5 gti's have a 2.0 16v turbo? is this the same motor that is in the skoda?
to tell you the truth i don't know much about the Fabia's engine. The WRC site says it's a 1999cc engine but doesn't go into any depth. whatever is in the Fabia isn't close to a production engine though. The only offerings on Skoda's website are a 1.9L TDI, 1.4 TDI, 1.9 SDI, 8V 2.0, 1.4 and a 1.2L. So I don't know what engine they're basing the WRC engine off of.
here we go... google is a wonderful thing:
http://news.kak.net/modules.ph...d=850
Engine Four-cylinder, 2xOHC, 20 valves turbocharged, water cooled
Bore/stroke (mm) 82.5/93.5
Displacement 1999cc
Maximum output (kW/rpm) 220 @ 5500 rpm
Maximum torque (Nm/rpm) 600 @ 3500 rpm
Transmission Six-gear sequential semi-automatic gearing
Clutch Carbon, triple-plate
Four-wheel drive Permanent with three active differentials
Suspension McPherson, front and rear
Shock absorbers Gas-hydraulic, individually adjustable
so, did they bore out a 1.8 20V?
Modified by NoDubJustYet at 9:05 PM 2-29-2004
here we go... google is a wonderful thing:
http://news.kak.net/modules.ph...d=850
Engine Four-cylinder, 2xOHC, 20 valves turbocharged, water cooled
Bore/stroke (mm) 82.5/93.5
Displacement 1999cc
Maximum output (kW/rpm) 220 @ 5500 rpm
Maximum torque (Nm/rpm) 600 @ 3500 rpm
Transmission Six-gear sequential semi-automatic gearing
Clutch Carbon, triple-plate
Four-wheel drive Permanent with three active differentials
Suspension McPherson, front and rear
Shock absorbers Gas-hydraulic, individually adjustable
so, did they bore out a 1.8 20V?
Modified by NoDubJustYet at 9:05 PM 2-29-2004
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