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Ok, but not another $1000-$1500 that's for sure.
And still a slug on the G60 :eek:

I'm sure it just a fluke that we won the 2004 European car 1.8T time attach against oh....a dozen turbo cars when we ran a Supercharger. Same engine size 1.8T, or should I say 1.8SC for us.
And that's a 20v :D

 

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And still a slug on the G60 :eek:

I'm sure it just a fluke that we won the 2004 European car 1.8T time attach against oh....a dozen turbo cars when we ran a Supercharger. Same engine size 1.8T, or should I say 1.8SC for us.
And that's a 20v :D
Ahaha the proof is in the pudding.

/thread :laugh:
 

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I loved reading all this. I just got involved in the VW thing and bought '91 corrado with some BBM stuff in the engine bay. Having had a stage 3 SRT-4 ACR edition i can say i like the daily driving torque of the gLadder over the turbo i previously had.

I have been doing research on going turbo, 16vt conversions, 20vt conversions, ect,ect but they all seem expensive and overly complicated to install compared to upgrading to a BBM Lysholm for my Corrado. I feel i am more in favor of going with a Lysholm SC after reading this thread.

Now if someone could just quiet it down and make it stealthy:D
 

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And still a slug on the G60 :eek:

I'm sure it just a fluke that we won the 2004 European car 1.8T time attach against oh....a dozen turbo cars when we ran a Supercharger. Same engine size 1.8T, or should I say 1.8SC for us.
And that's a 20v :D

Thats Awesome and I remember the write up on it in the mag. I might still have it I'll have to look. I remember feeling that all the cars were sorta slow in the magazine and wished Bill Schimmel had built a car for that mix. In 1998 Bill had his car in the 11's and built others in the 9's and here's a bunch of cars in the 13's and 14's qtr mile in 2004. :confused:

Not mocking yaa because I like and appreciate all that BBM has done to the VW scene for yrs and current.:thumbup:
I just remember thinking there's faster cars at the time that would be a better example for the turbos. I also remember that BBM having the best sounding of the bunch. I also thought BBM had the most hp in the mix. I wanted BBM to win out of that line up or the other Corrado. :p
 

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You are correct....all of the cars were running slower than normal. The tarmac temp was over 140 degrees. The heat took out a couple of cars, our car was overheated from the road course by the time we hit the 1/4 mile. All of the quarter mile times were slow from the cars getting the crap beat out of them and the heat from the road course. We went straight to the 1/4 mile and believe me it was a tough day in the sun... Our 1/4 mile time was mis-printed in the magazine. They flip flopped our time with another tuner. The DOT tires they made us run were also pretty bad for traction....and they were wasted by the time we hit the 1/4 mile :)
 

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when i took the original charger out at 185k, it still put out 4 psi but the innard were destroyed and ready to come apart. i could see the apex seals hanging out on the inlet.

put a stock rebuild with a 68mm and it can almost fry the tires in 2nd gear.

id like to go with something aftermarket but the g60 fits from the factory and can still be upgraded if i wanted to.
 

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One final comment and then I'll shut up :). It may well be that a supercharged PG will be the faster car in the 1/4 mile vs a turboed PG, but some people (me included) don't give a hoot about 1/4 mile times.
Don't get me wrong, I have a good deal of respect for those folks who can run a fast 1/4 but it's not me. I prefer road racing. And in a street car (especially a rado) I'd rather have top speed and good part throttle fuel economy. It's fun to outrun a new Porsche on the interstate and then make the owner sick to his stomach when you tell him that it's a 4 banger that gets 35+mpg at 85 mph:p . And for those goals a turbo will always win especially combined with a decent standalone.
 

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No worry Mate! That's the thing about the Corrado. There's a cult following. There's still enough of em to Frankenstein 8V, 16V, 20V, 24V and even one 30V (2.7T). A turbo is just the tip of the TDI, Syncro, Haldex Corrado iceberg. I'd love to see someone stuff a W8 in one of these.
 

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Man Im glad that this post was started. I was actually thinking about turbocharging my PG and ditching the Lysholm. But reading this just made me that much more in love with the Lysholm.

:beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer:
 

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I've got a BBM lysholm silencer kit waiting to go on after my next G Ladder rebuild is out. Between now and then I'll find a lysholm off the classifieds to prep. Repoman's life size Hot Wheels has me motivated to dial up the boost now that I've got the platform to support it.
 

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If bbm reintroduced their silencer kit, I would go that route instead of turbo. Ill just save my penny's and throw a rotrex setup on a 20v one of these days.
 

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TEC used one on their Corrado but it was vague on it's performance. I was looking at Rotrex for a while. There were never any dyno sheets available from a Corrado G60 install so I knew not to get in on it. The last article I saw on the inet showed the size that goes in a G60 could only get about 7-8lb boost.

Edit .. Just got off the phone w/ Jackson Racing who is the Dist in my area. Here's the bottom line with Rotrex on the G60:

Cost factor w/ exchange rate of the 1 US Dollar = 5.62867 Danish Krone
Dedicated support solely for the Corrado G60. Per the folks at Rotrex:

If you have a problem with your Rotrex supercharger then contact the dealer for advice. Always contact the dealer where you bought the supercharger. Do not contact Rotrex directly as only the dealer will be able to help.
We do not recommend attempting to repair the Rotrex supercharger. We are aware of some companies offering repairs, however none of these are Rotrex approved. At Rotrex we never repair superchargers or reuse components.
Please also note that Rotrex does not offer any warranty on superchargers that have been repaired or disassembled


In spite of them being around for a while they're still a small Danish Co and have yet to make it into a production vehicle. Real world road time and the R&D that would come from running a Rotrex in a daily driver would get them to the next level.
 

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Some people who go turbo most likely are not just going to be satisfied with a 14 sec qtr mile pass at full weight. Thats just teasing them to build a turbo engine correctly. Not just throwing on a kit and calling it a day. They are getting a turbo cuz they can surpass a super charger performance with a further upgrades and or possible future build. You hear it all the time.

If you want a fast street car that only does about High 14. sec qtr mile pass at full weight BBM might be for you. If you gut yr Corrado with further upgrades you might be in the 12's . Also consider you will be stuck in that range or BBM would of built a faster car is my guess.

If you want something that will keep up with performance of today's standards for an average stock VW's R models BBM can get you there.

When it comes to drag racing your better off with a turbo in the long run just in case you want to compete with a bit faster cars at the track. You just gotta build the motor.

I think that's why so many just ditch the motor as a whole and put in a 16 valve or VR6 and start there.

Anyone know what the fastest g60 qtr mile time with a BBM super charger is? Full weight or gutted?
 

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If bbm reintroduced their silencer kit, I would go that route instead of turbo. Ill just save my penny's and throw a rotrex setup on a 20v one of these days.
We can set you up with a BBM twin screw and silencer option :)
Rotrex no so great on the G60 8v, had a few in my shop.
 

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One final comment and then I'll shut up :). It may well be that a supercharged PG will be the faster car in the 1/4 mile vs a turboed PG, but some people (me included) don't give a hoot about 1/4 mile times.
Don't get me wrong, I have a good deal of respect for those folks who can run a fast 1/4 but it's not me. I prefer road racing. And in a street car (especially a rado) I'd rather have top speed and good part throttle fuel economy. It's fun to outrun a new Porsche on the interstate and then make the owner sick to his stomach when you tell him that it's a 4 banger that gets 35+mpg at 85 mph:p . And for those goals a turbo will always win especially combined with a decent standalone.
Also quicker times on the road course...even more of an A$$ kicking than on the 1/4 mile track :laugh:
 

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My only arguement, and why I didn't go with the charger, is for the cost(over$3000) for the charger and then money to install, chip, whatever, depends on what you can do yourself. I am putting in a fully built 16Vt motor in for the same in parts costs comparibly. I understand that I am putting in custom piping which if you can't do yourself can be expensive, but still the over all end result will be much more fun to drive. Alos, with standalone, only thing I need to do down the road is add more fuel and bigger turbo and faster car.

In relationship to lag, a good hybrid turbo will cost far less than the charger as well.

Like the one guy said earlier in the thread, its a lot to say "how much power for how much money"

I'm not a rocket scientist so take my opinion with a grain of salt.

Also not bashing BBM or their charger/products, as I bought their fuel rail to use with my setup :thumbup:
 

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Good points....really also pending on your mechanical skill level and how much you value your time.
That is even if you have extra time, majority of our customers like to bolt on and go.
I have a 500hp turbo 16v... GT30R, fun car still lags, so did my 16v GT28R.
Now I am switching two of my cars back to Supercharger!
Thanks for all the feed back and input, thought this might be a fun thread :)
 

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Since we are now comparing turbo charged 16v's and 20v's, to the G60 SC 8v, thought I'd add this.
When we did the very first Mk3 2.0L BBM Supercharger kit. My customer went right to the Stage IV power package. At that time I had a tricked out Mk4 GTI 1.8T. It made about 250+ whp and nearly 300 wheel torque. We did countless side by side drag races. Every time the cars were exactly neck and neck. My 1.8T GTI even had a close ratio six spd. box in it. Once again it didn't matter, the broad torque band made it just as quick. Both cars in full street trim and woofers in the trunk.
Bottom line is that a properly supercharged 8v can be just as quick as a tricked out 16v or 20v turbo car. Now lets not start comparing water melons too apples here. Of course you have world record high hp, high $$$$$$ custom built turbo and supercharged cars out there. That's not what we are talking about here. :)
 
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