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In relationship to lag, a good hybrid turbo will cost far less than the charger as well.
I keep seeing this cost comparison.... It's absolutely ridiculous my friend. I sell turbo gear to 16v guys every single day. I sell complete packages, just parts, complete engines ect. ect. ect.... they are NOT less money than our $3k charger kit.
By the time you add it all up they almost always go near the $4-5k mark and you would need to spend this much to even compete against a twin screw kit 8v on the good old G60.
So back to dollars and cents, time and skill level of the customer....it is beat hands down!
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Anyone know what the fastest g60 qtr mile time with a BBM super charger is? Full weight or gutted?
Yes, pretty sure we have it....the video is in this thread.
The fastest time I have ever seen on a stock PG 8v G60 engine with stock management is our fastest time of 11.7 sec 1/4 mile.

I've never seen a quicker time on this engine set up. If someone can show me other wise....my eyes are wide open :eek:

I also know of Double J Motorwerks, he runs low 12's all day long in a drag prepped BBM SC 8v bunny.
Not sure if he has gone quicker since I last spoke with him

And we have ran high 12's with full street trim cars running slicks.
Repoman, I think used to come close to 11's with our 16v SC Ltd. conversion... in full street trim.
 

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Tvs charger

Hi again mr betz!could you give some thoughts about the tvs charger? Seems like a good compromise (cost perspective) to the buyer,it looks like it could do good and if the price is right there should be some customers,at least i would be!!may be is not as efficient as a lysholm but a lower pricing on a kit like that and missing a few ponies i would go for it.Actually i might do like carat g60 and stuff a 50shot for those times when i feel lucky(punk),hope you and your staff the best and keep bringing good stuff the market later guys! Roderick
 

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Hi again mr betz!could you give some thoughts about the tvs charger? Seems like a good compromise (cost perspective) to the buyer,it looks like it could do good and if the price is right there should be some customers,at least i would be!!may be is not as efficient as a lysholm but a lower pricing on a kit like that and missing a few ponies i would go for it.Actually i might do like carat g60 and stuff a 50shot for those times when i feel lucky(punk),hope you and your staff the best and keep bringing good stuff the market later guys! Roderick
Hi rodperformance...we have some really great customers in Puerto Rico. So shout out to PR :)
The TVS is a great charger design.... the smallest unit is the 1320 and it would be a tight shoe horn of a challenge to fit it in the G60. Feel free to email me at [email protected] and we can discuss options ;)
 

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Also quicker times on the road course...even more of an A$$ kicking than on the 1/4 mile track :laugh:
And not legal on a VW in SCCA club racing :(
 

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We can set you up with a BBM twin screw and silencer option :)
Rotrex no so great on the G60 8v, had a few in my shop.
Have you dabbled in silenced 20v lysholms?
 

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Super charger...

If we're still talking 1.8 G60's on digi,... I had so many headaches maintaining G60 turbo conversions. But i did not have as many issues maintaining highly boosted supercharged systems running digi. The turbo conversions just had so many more parts, not to mention the extra labor and tuning issues for the turbo conversion. "

From my experience there was not that much difference in performance when using the 1.8 8v head in turbo or supercharged form.

It seems the flow of the 8v counter flow head, even when P and P'd with bigger valves has a bottleneck that can only move so much air regardless of how much is boost shoved down its throat.

If I was to go turbo 1.8, I'd bite the bullet and go factory 1.8T 20 valve with factory or aftermarket management... No question.

Then again A lysholm 1.8 20 valve is pretty dam awesome making some ridiculous power compared to 1.8T engine.....

Anyone know which setup dominates???






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Have you dabbled in silenced 20v lysholms?
the red devil race car video above is a BBM twin screw 20v silenced set up, large custom head unit.
i think silenced is not exactly the correct word for this.
putting the t-body in front of the compressor makes it about 50+% quieter.
you can still hear the blower, but it sounds like music to me :)
 

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you can still hear the blower, but it sounds like music to me :)
Nice :thumbup:;) I'm the same way ;) My Corrado has a 4"down pipe wide open and never had the radio on in like 7yrs Hmm Love it! My 928 that I had for many more has never had the radio on I just roll down the windows n the V8 was all music.

The BBM car must of been a blast to hear, feel and pedal thru going into the turns and coming out. :cool:
 

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. Scroll compressors are quite efficient, just ask the A/C industry, but definately not so good for a supercharger.
going to have to disagree...



as well the fastest 1/4 mile cars in the world are scroll supercharged...

i'm sure i am just biased but there's nothing like a scroll charger, centrifugal chargers are just outright not fun. i sold my G60 Lysholm back when i was 20 :facepalm: biggest regret of my life thus far.
 

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I think we are just mixing up the types of compressors here.
The video above is the Kenne Bell twin screw lysholm.

Pretty sure the above is referring to the scroll AC compressor being similar to the g-lader.

Then you have centrifugal...or basically turbo type blower ran by a belt.

And then of course you have the Eaton egg beater roots design....
Then the newer TVS roots type.

The twin screw lysholm types are the best positive displacement compressors...
TVS is next

Centrifugal such as Vortech, Rotrex....Pro Charger not so great for smaller engines in my opinion. I also wouldn't choose one for larger engines.

Roots Heaton egg beater.... nick name tells the story :)
 

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as above i guess i was mistaken, i'm not a heating and air conditioning person haha just in context it seemed as if they were discussing the screw type chargers but after reading he referred to as scroll... my bad... though i would rather a G60 over a centrifugal haha

though makes me wonder how did the G60 "lysholm" get that nickname? being the charger is clearly an Opcon by the case as opposed to Lysholm chargers having heat sink fins like Eaton has used for years. oh and if we're speaking affiliation Opcon is actually the parent company to Lysholm. Also you, BBM, publicly offer up the info that the charger is an Opcon Autorotor 2087. i have always been baffled by that... really miss mine though :banghead:
 

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Billet Pulleys

For awhile now I been contemplating on purchasing Gruvenparts billet lightweight pulleys. As this was to help put less strain on the Lysholm as well as decreasing the parasitic drain it takes on the engine power to spin it and increasing overall engine efficiency. I been reading this forum and havent seen much praising on this subject, so is it just a complete waste of money to do so? Will it even help enough for me to tell a difference in rev climbs or any other factor?

I really need to slam a 16v on her :banghead:

-Mark
 

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For awhile now I been contemplating on purchasing Gruvenparts billet lightweight pulleys. As this was to help put less strain on the Lysholm as well as decreasing the parasitic drain it takes on the engine power to spin it and increasing overall engine efficiency. I been reading this forum and havent seen much praising on this subject, so is it just a complete waste of money to do so? Will it even help enough for me to tell a difference in rev climbs or any other factor?

I really need to slam a 16v on her :banghead:

-Mark
I have a 16v turbo head for sale if your interested :D :wave:

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ooh i have a preety nice 16v head setup with cams and i'll even throw in a head gasket :p

but from what i have always been reading, only had one VR6 with billet pullies, but people are complaining that they may not be balanced. which as we all know an unbalanced crank is bad mmmkay. so i traded in my MK4 GTI VR6 cause it was smoking. underdrive billet pullies, billet flywheel and 6 puck clutch. later found out every VR i've had smoked :laugh: i actually ran into the MK4's new owner and the car was still running 2 years later with no problems...

...bottom line is if you have done it already i would not worry about going back to stock
 

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ooh i have a preety nice 16v head setup with cams and i'll even throw in a head gasket :p

but from what i have always been reading, only had one VR6 with billet pullies, but people are complaining that they may not be balanced. which as we all know an unbalanced crank is bad mmmkay. so i traded in my MK4 GTI VR6 cause it was smoking. underdrive billet pullies, billet flywheel and 6 puck clutch. later found out every VR i've had smoked :laugh: i actually ran into the MK4's new owner and the car was still running 2 years later with no problems...

...bottom line is if you have done it already i would not worry about going back to stock
I had the ECS tuning light weight underdrive crank and power steering pillows on my car for over two years with no issues so today I replaced those along with the stock belt tensioner, alternator and water pump pillows with the complete 5 light weight pulley set from Gruven parts :D and I'm very happy with it so far

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