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BMW is betting 'HUGE' on Hydrogen fuel cell cars...WOOD it work?

WOOD it work? BMW is betting 'HUGE' on Hydrogen fuel cell cars...

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  • BMW launches first batch of iX5 Hydrogen vehicles, following up on decades of BMW Group research in hydrogen powertrains.
  • The iX5 features Toyota fuel cells and the EV hardware of the BMW iX, along with a small 2.0-kWh battery.
  • BMW does not plan to sell or lease the nearly 100 units of the iX5 it plans to produce, only intending them for demonstration purposes.




A few months after it began building the fuel cells for the BMW iX5, the automaker has officially launched the first batch of hydrogen-fueled sport utilities. BMW is just one of a handful, along with Toyota and Hyundai, to have developed passenger cars powered by hydrogen amid a significant turn toward EVs in the past year.

The BMW iX5 couples fuel cells made by Toyota with what is essentially an EV drivetrain borrowed from the BMW iX, along with a small 2.0-kWh lithium-ion battery. The result is an output of 395 hp, with the 16 pounds of hydrogen aboard giving the sport utility a range of 310 miles in the WLTP cycle.The automaker doesn't intend to sell or lease any of these vehicles. Instead, like many others before them including the 7-Series hydrogen cars, the iX5 will be part of an eventual fleet of fewer than 100 units that will be used for demonstration purposes.
BMW's Hydrogen Journey Included This V12 Sedan
"This active driving experience will therefore be the first chance for people not involved in the development process to gain a direct impression of what the BMW iX5 Hydrogen has to offer," as the automaker puts it.

The iX5 is built at BMW Group's special pilot plant, located at the Research and Innovation Centre (FIZ) in Munich. That's where the unique components of this drivetrain are fitted to X5 chassis, with the plant employing approximately 900 workers, including specialists in hydrogen fuel. The build cost per unit, therefore, is perhaps best left unsaid if you were to get behind the wheel of one of these and take it into real traffic, and we suspect that some internal-combustion cars from a certain Goodwood-based unit of the BMW Group could seem like a bargain.

But despite BMW experimenting with hydrogen for decades at this point, we're not really any closer to being able to buy a hydrogen fuel-cell BMW or be able to fuel it in many places outside some parts of California.

So why is BMW still investing in this technology—enough to hand build a fleet of SUVs that will never be sold to the public?

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The iX5 carries just 16 pounds of hydrogen in gas form.


"Hydrogen is a versatile energy source that has a key role to play in the energy transition process and therefore in climate protection. After all, it is one of the most efficient ways of storing and transporting renewable energies," says Oliver Zipse, Chairman of the Board of Management of BMW AG.

To be sure, BMW is spending far more money developing EVs than it is spending on hydrogen tech. But it still sees a role for hydrogen in the future, at least in western Europe, where networks of stations are currently being develop to facilitate hydrogen-powered trucks running routes from port cities to manufacturing centers. In many ways hydrogen in the trucking sector is seeing more interest from automakers and trucking companies alike, even as the cost of hydrogen fuel has recently risen.

BMW effectively envisions a future where hydrogen cars will claim a small piece of the entire ZEV market, and could see support from governments in the form of purchase incentives. This scenario, of course, relies on a future where the number of hydrogen stations will grow from around 100 in Germany today, to around 500 or more by the end of the decade.

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This scenario still depends on a number of factors, such as the trucking and other heavy industries pulling hydrogen in the right direction, with possible increases in the price of gasoline and diesel providing a tailwind.

"Hydrogen is the missing piece in the jigsaw when it comes to emission-free mobility. One technology on its own will not be enough to enable climate-neutral mobility worldwide," Zipse added.

Still, it's difficult to ignore the fact that in the past 20 years far more progress on hydrogen was expected to occur. Instead, we've largely seen lukewarm progress in EV adoption, which was given an unexpected boost in Europe three years ago. From the viewpoint of 2003, both EVs and hydrogen cars were supposed to be far more commonplace than they are today, with the industry still waiting for an EV-like tipping point.
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They don't intend on selling or leasing any of them. Because they know it takes more energy to generate hydrogen than you get out of it and it takes a 10,000 psi tank to "safely" store it in a car. But hey, ze Germans and their Zeppelins are never wrong on hydrogen, right?

Any breakthrough in cheap energy generation to get hydrogen cheaper will still result in cheaper energy to use in batteries more efficiently.
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It can make sense on vehicles where batteries aren't as practical, like long-haul trucking for example. Airbus made a reasonable case with their hydrogen airliner, since it's a similar situation where batteries aren't practical. But for a plane-Jane SUV like the X5 they show? That's just dumb.
But hey, ze Germans and their Zeppelins are never wrong on hydrogen, right?
The Zeppelins were actually designed to be used with helium. Hydrogen was used because the U.S. (largest producer of helium) refused to supply it to post-war Germany.

Now, if BMW can make an X5 run on helium that'd be great, it already looks like the G 4 series designers were huffing nitrous oxide.
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Putting all of the energy to produce aside the main benefit to hydrogen is that it supposedly be refueled faster. I seem to recall that there were issues at the CA hydrogen fuel centers where as the level of hydrogen dropped in the tank as cars filled up the longer it took the next car. It was on an episode of The Smoking Tire. Yes, I know, not the best source but it show this weakness. There is also the issue of the fuel nozzle freezing to the car in cold climates.

Hydrogen has the potential to be a decent alternative but it has a long, long way to go and battery tech has much more current potential that it makes sense to focus on that now. I think they should still do research and development on hydrogen for the time where battery tech levels out and the need for something else becomes apparent.
I seem to recall that there were issues at the CA hydrogen fuel centers where as the level of hydrogen dropped in the tank as cars filled up the longer it took the next car. It was on an episode of The Smoking Tire. Yes, I know, not the best source but it show this weakness.
Still a problem, though not as bad as so many people have given up and returned their hydrogen leases.


Have a look at how many are red or orange (offline or limited) and how many are unknown status. It's not three-quarters like during the worst shortages in 2020 or 2021 but it's still bad. I mean it's no better than Electrify America in terms of reliability, and at least with an EV you do 90% of your charging at home. With a Hydrogen FCV you have to do 100% of your fillups at a public hydrogen station, so if the nearest one is offline or empty when you need to fill up, too bad.
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what a splashy announcement for a 100 vehicle test fleet!

and, im looking forward to 2030-2035 when this tech will finally be 5-10 years from prime time!


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I am waiting for the GT model (Hindenberg MK1)
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I think the big rig market is the most logical in-road for hydrogen fuel cells at this point. Start off by putting pumps at the highest traffic truck stops, let the infrastructure network grow from there.as more fuel cell powered tractors hit the road.
Hydrogen combines the inefficiency of regular combustion with the challenges and expenses of having to build out new infrastructure. I guess we will see what happens but I don't see it catching on for passenger vehicles.
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Hydrogen has the potential to be a decent alternative but it has a long, long way to go and battery tech has much more current potential that it makes sense to focus on that now. I think they should still do research and development on hydrogen for the time where battery tech levels out and the need for something else becomes apparent.
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If Porsche is working with Siemens on hydrogen fuel then my guess is other manufacturers are as well. Should be interesting to see what comes of it in the next 5-10 years.
What's the actual motivation for hydrogen vehicles?
Because as mentioned, creating hydrogen takes a substantial amount of energy. And that energy could just be more directly used to charge actual EVs.
I see lots of politics in this crap.
IG Metall wants Tesla blocked, for example.
Hydrogen vehicles made way more sense a thirty years ago when battery technology and charging options were in a much worse place.
Has anyone made a hydrogen combustion engine yet?
Has anyone made a hydrogen combustion engine yet?
Yes, including BMW. The real problem is the hydrogen itself, though.
Yes, including BMW. The real problem is the hydrogen itself, though.
But not mass production or sold to the public. Like it's not really tested well but we are years into electric cars. How can hydrogen catch up?
But not mass production or sold to the public. Like it's not really tested well but we are years into electric cars. How can hydrogen catch up?
We have a lot of vehicles that currently have no EV option at all available to the public. For small cars, yeah hydrogen isn't going to catch up. But then there's like...everything else.
We have a lot of vehicles that currently have no EV option at all available to the public. For small cars, yeah hydrogen isn't going to catch up. But then there's like...everything else.
There are EV suvs and trucks
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