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Making a 90K VW
i know its a nice car but lets be honest who would take it over an A8L no this is IMO so dont flame me too badly
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Re: Worst Move By An Auto Maker Ever? (MK3)

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Making a 90K VW
i know its a nice car but lets be honest who would take it over an A8L no this is IMO so dont flame me too badly
eli

I would because I have a good VW dealer here in town while the closest Audi dealer is about 4 hours away.
 

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Re: Worst Move By An Auto Maker Ever? (blackmagic3393)

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That's pretty bad. Also Jaguar selling out to Ford. Jaguar Taurus.

It was probably the best thing Jag did. Without Ford, Jag probably wouldn't be in the US. Ford capital has helped them develop the XK8 and the new XJ. Their mistakes have been the execution of the X-type and canning the F-type.
 

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Re: Worst Move By An Auto Maker Ever? (Mr_Ginzo)

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saab going to GM

volvo to Ford

Vw making a 90K car

Kia

on that funny a$$ note im going to bed laughing
 
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Re: Worst Move By An Auto Maker Ever? (MK3)

Wow...this is...bad.
The Phaeton is a bad move, sure, but the worst? Not even.
Try Nissan's over-expansion without watching expenses which led to the company's take-over by Renault. Or Mitsubishi's 0/0/0 campaign that brought about the current financial mess. Or Daimler-Benz's failure to perform due dilligence on Chrysler before purchasing the company.
And those are just some recent failures...
 

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Re: Worst Move By An Auto Maker Ever? (bgluckman)

Phaeton is not even close,
i would add BMW's purchase of Rover as another bad move...
 

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Re: Worst Move By An Auto Maker Ever? (MK3)

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Making a 90K VW
i know its a nice car but lets be honest who would take it over an A8L no this is IMO so dont flame me too badly
eli

Wow! You really think this? This topic is totally brand new and has never been discussed before, thanks for bringing it to our attention!!
 

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Re: Worst Move By An Auto Maker Ever? (Mr_Ginzo)

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saab going to GM

volvo to Ford

Vw making a 90K car






Modified by vw_ev73 at 11:50 PM 5-19-2004
 

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Re: Worst Move By An Auto Maker Ever? (kerridwen)

80's GM Diesels
V8-6-4
Agreeing to let Dateline or 20/20 or whoever that was mount sparklers next to the gas tanks for that side-impact crash test video
All bad moves.
Give the Phaeton a chance!
 

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Re: Worst Move By An Auto Maker Ever? (bgluckman)

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Try Nissan's over-expansion without watching expenses which led to the company's take-over by Renault.

Yep. I 100% agree with this, and this is the sort of thing people need to realize when they talk about "bad moves". The spending spree that led to Nissan's near-demise in the late '90s is what paid for the "best" cars Nissan has ever built in the early '90s - stuff like the Skyline GT-R, Silvia, and Sentra SE-R. It all sounds like it was worth it to us enthusiasts, but it almost drove them out of business.
 

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Re: Worst Move By An Auto Maker Ever? (AKADriver)

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Yep. I 100% agree with this, and this is the sort of thing people need to realize when they talk about "bad moves". The spending spree that led to Nissan's near-demise in the late '90s is what paid for the "best" cars Nissan has ever built in the early '90s - stuff like the Skyline GT-R, Silvia, and Sentra SE-R. It all sounds like it was worth it to us enthusiasts, but it almost drove them out of business.

So your saying that by catering to the enthusaists by developing awesome sport cars they almost went bankrupt??
There has to be more to it than that.
Does anyone have more info on why Nissan went almost bankrupt? What I heard was that they had a lot of platforms..?
 

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Re: Worst Move By An Auto Maker Ever? (mAdD INDIAN)

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So your saying that by catering to the enthusaists by developing awesome sport cars they almost went bankrupt??
There has to be more to it than that.
Does anyone have more info on why Nissan went almost bankrupt? What I heard was that they had a lot of platforms..?

Because the focused on low-profit and low sales sporty cars and failed to provide knock-out mass market cars to pay the bills.
ENthusiast cars are halo vehicles as a general rule that should not provide for the company. Prestige makes like Porsche can get away with it because its their central business case.
Now Nissan has solid, desireable mass market cars that make the sporting models just that much better. i.e. one platform providing for a number of vehicles, like FM.
 

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Re: Worst Move By An Auto Maker Ever? (blackmagic3393)

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That's pretty bad. Also Jaguar selling out to Ford. Jaguar Taurus.

*Cocks the shotgun*
FIrst off, Jag being bought by FOrd
- saved Jag from extinction
- provided cash infusion for new models
- improved reliability by, oh, a million percent.
And also:
NO JAG SHARES ANY PLATFORM WITH A FORD TAURUS. GET IT IN YOUR FLEEPING HEAD!!!!!!
They Taurus platform is dead as of next year.
 

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Re: Worst Move By An Auto Maker Ever? (mtrainVR6)

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Because the focused on low-profit and low sales sporty cars and failed to provide knock-out mass market cars to pay the bills.

But they did have quality mass market cars.
The Maxima (of that time) had impeccable build quality, a quality interior, semi-adjustable suspension, a great engine, and a quality suspension (full independent suspension). It was the only midsize sedan of the time to offer a limitd slip differential as well.
The Altima had a quality interior as well, with cool stuff like passive rear steering (dynamic toe-out), and a powerful motor for its class.
The Sentra....well that was a dark horse (apart from SE-R).
The Pathfinder was a quality SUV and had lots of heritage and cachet.
So what was wrong exactly apart from poor marketing?
 
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